Mock offseason #3 (Mock is over, thanks to all participants!)
- Thread starter InjuredChoker
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So, what does everyone think of creating brackets and voting on which team is the best, eventually voting in a cup winner?
forsbergavs32
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InjuredChoker
Registered User
i'm in voting for
most likely cup winner
most improved team
most declined team
best transaction
worst transaction
best draft
and maybe something else.
most likely cup winner
most improved team
most declined team
best transaction
worst transaction
best draft
and maybe something else.
lonelybadger
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I am fine with all of those, terrified for the outcome of a couple of them but fine with voting on those categories
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
I'm cool with voting.
Also have to say major kudos to IC for running this. The level of detail we went with this I could barely wrap my brain around at times but it's incredible we got all the way through waivers stage and everything. Certainly couldn't have been done without IC so thanks very much for the time and effort.
Also have to say major kudos to IC for running this. The level of detail we went with this I could barely wrap my brain around at times but it's incredible we got all the way through waivers stage and everything. Certainly couldn't have been done without IC so thanks very much for the time and effort.
forsbergavs32
Global Moderator
this. IC was awesome through the whole thing and did everything to make this possible for us not only to start, but to complete as well!
InjuredChoker
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thanks guys and gals.
mock is finally done. kept me busy at times but i really enjoyed this. so thanks to all posters who took part of this and especially those who were very active during the whole mock.
mock is finally done. kept me busy at times but i really enjoyed this. so thanks to all posters who took part of this and especially those who were very active during the whole mock.
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Believe me... it is not easy running something of this scale. What IC did this year is a ton of work. Major thanks to him.
lonelybadger
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UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
InjuredChoker
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now that this is still fresh in memory, i'd like to hear what you'd look to improve on. me and henchman discussed some things already and if i can be the admin next year, there will be some changes.
i'd appreciate any thoughts.
i'd appreciate any thoughts.
UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
Same here.
One wrinkle to the draft could be to have all undrafted players available (such as from 2016 draft class and beyond). But I understand trying to keep it as realistic to a real offseason as possible too.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
I'd still like to know the answer to these. Maybe we can secret ballot our votes in a PM to IC?
Avsboy
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I vote my own team as "most declined team." My stated goal was to destroy the Blues from the inside, and that's exactly what I did (I think anyway...but I'll let you guys be the judge).
Also, I'm happy to report that Hitchcock was relieved of his duties. But he still keeps coming over to my house asking for sweets and spewing nonsense about the civil war. The guy isn't getting a clue.
Also, I'm happy to report that Hitchcock was relieved of his duties. But he still keeps coming over to my house asking for sweets and spewing nonsense about the civil war. The guy isn't getting a clue.
One of my suggestions would be some procedure when we open UFA
1) give it 24 hours and then halt all offers on new players.
2) Take any player that received an offer in that first 24 hours "wave 1" and finish the negotiating/signing within the next 24 hours. ex: Mike Green, Beauch, Tikhanov would be done by the end of day 2.
3) reopen for 24 or 48 hours and then do the same 24 hour finalizing for "wave 2"
after that, all the rest should be pretty easy to finish. My thought is that this would facilitate people missing out on targets early and either going after the 2nd tier guys harder and/or having more time to seek a trade, etc
1) give it 24 hours and then halt all offers on new players.
2) Take any player that received an offer in that first 24 hours "wave 1" and finish the negotiating/signing within the next 24 hours. ex: Mike Green, Beauch, Tikhanov would be done by the end of day 2.
3) reopen for 24 or 48 hours and then do the same 24 hour finalizing for "wave 2"
after that, all the rest should be pretty easy to finish. My thought is that this would facilitate people missing out on targets early and either going after the 2nd tier guys harder and/or having more time to seek a trade, etc
landy92mack29
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I have no problem making the votes public, it was merely a game and no one is out to make anyone feel bad and it might stir some good discussion and debate
and would offer more awards like:
Most likely to resemble the plans/moves of the actual Team/GM
Most surprising transaction
and would offer more awards like:
Most likely to resemble the plans/moves of the actual Team/GM
Most surprising transaction
Close the loophole concerning AAV versus total contract value, as AAV is better in almost all cases. For the old guys that the extra years would be of value, maybe do something like each year after 37 is worth an extra 10% cumulative bonus. So say you offer a 35 year old winger a 4 year worth $12M. Someone else offers 2 years for $9M total. To compare, second contract is $4.5M AAV, first is ($12M+$1.2M+$2.4M)/4 = $3.9M AAV(adj). Add another year at $3M and it becomes ($15M+$1.5M+$3.0M+$4.5M)/5 = $4.8M AAV(adj). This allows for the player to take into account earnings in the waning years of a career. The player could make $9M in 2 years, then have to get a new contract...but would that contract be worth the $6M more the second contract guaranteed? Signing most 37yo guys for over $2M AAV is questionable. There are a few that would be worth it, but not that many, and the players know it. Therefore, I think they would value the extra paid years a bit more that a youngster would. Flip side, the young guys are not going to take a longer contract at lower AAV just because the total is higher (a loophole many of us took advantage of this year). ROR would take $7.5Mx3 over $7Mx4 all day every day. He knows that at the end of the 3 year term, he can get a contract worth more than the $5.5M difference. But a guy 10 years older may not feel the same depending on how well he ages.
Prolly need to cap it, otherwise a loophole of offering a 36yo player an 8 year contract at $1M AAV adjusts to being more valuable than a 3 year $3M AAV deal (8+0.8+1.6+2.4+3.2+4+4.8)/8 = $3.1M AAVadj. $8M should never be worth more than $9M. Capping the bonus years at 40% seems to fix this (8+0.8+1.6+2.4+3.2+3.2+3.2)/ = $2.8M AAVadj.
Or could make it simple and just blanket rule that any contract that takes a player to 40 goes by total value. But then there is the issue of a 32yo getting the 8 year contract worth $40M being worth more than the 3yr $10M AAV deal. Pretty easy for a guy worth $10M at 32 to make another $10M over the course of 5 years, even at 35 years old (see Iginla, Jarome).
Or maybe go to a system like we did for undrafted ELCs, where folks decide on the best deal. Subjective, but it seemed to work this year (I say as one of the ones that "won" an ELC showdown).
Or go to the new CBA that limits new contract length to 1 year.
Not like we have to deal with the consequences of the long ass deals some of us gave (MaJo wont be getting 8 years for real). Same rationale as not allowing future picks or considerations in trades.
Prolly need to cap it, otherwise a loophole of offering a 36yo player an 8 year contract at $1M AAV adjusts to being more valuable than a 3 year $3M AAV deal (8+0.8+1.6+2.4+3.2+4+4.8)/8 = $3.1M AAVadj. $8M should never be worth more than $9M. Capping the bonus years at 40% seems to fix this (8+0.8+1.6+2.4+3.2+3.2+3.2)/ = $2.8M AAVadj.
Or could make it simple and just blanket rule that any contract that takes a player to 40 goes by total value. But then there is the issue of a 32yo getting the 8 year contract worth $40M being worth more than the 3yr $10M AAV deal. Pretty easy for a guy worth $10M at 32 to make another $10M over the course of 5 years, even at 35 years old (see Iginla, Jarome).
Or maybe go to a system like we did for undrafted ELCs, where folks decide on the best deal. Subjective, but it seemed to work this year (I say as one of the ones that "won" an ELC showdown).
Or go to the new CBA that limits new contract length to 1 year.
Not like we have to deal with the consequences of the long ass deals some of us gave (MaJo wont be getting 8 years for real). Same rationale as not allowing future picks or considerations in trades.
I am interested in the superlatives polls too. Maybe do a thread for nominations, then poll, or just go by nominations and discussion...no real need to nail down the absolute worst trade (my own giving away Carlson) etc., though it would be neat to see.
