OT: MLB Thread Part XX: Title incoming.

[RGY]

Making decisions based on the last five games seems like sound tactics to me.

So wait another start. He has pitched well against very good teams. He is trending in the right direction. His fastball velocity is up. If he comes at a good price especially as a rental then he is worth it the risk. They can use all the arms they can get right now. And quite honestly I would much prefer Harvey over many of the other SP options out there other than Happ/Hamels especially because he wont cost nearly as much...and the reward could be much much bigger especially coming as a 4/5 starter in the beginning. If he fails you have German waiting to step back in.

 

[SA16]

So wait another start. He has pitched well against very good teams. He is trending in the right direction. His fastball velocity is up. If he comes at a good price especially as a rental then he is worth it the risk. They can use all the arms they can get right now. And quite honestly I would much prefer Harvey over many of the other SP options out there other than Happ/Hamels especially because he wont cost nearly as much...and the reward could be much much bigger especially coming as a 4/5 starter in the beginning. If he fails you have German waiting to step back in.

His fastball velocity isn't up. It's up from where it was in April (which was the lowest of his career) but it's been 94.8-94.9 in May/June/July. He was 94.7 in April last year and 95.0 in May. In 2016 it was over 95 every month.

He's a low strikeout pitcher with decent control who allows a ton of home runs and gets destroyed by lefties now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

As hilarious as it would be for Harvey to rediscover himself on the Yankees, he cons far outweigh the pros of acquiring him.

I’d rather give Sheffield a shot, and that’s honestly not an option I’d like to visit right now.

 

[RGY]

Brad Hand to the Indians

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Harvey can't be fixed. He's a guy who relied heavily on his Fastball and that is completely gone.

Despite his FB still being a tick above league average in terms of velo, it's more than 100 RPM lower than average in spin rate so it plays more like 91-92. Straight, no ride and not fast anymore which is why he gets clobbered nowadays. No one whiffs on his FB anymore

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Brad Hand to the Indians

Good get for them. Miller and Allen are gonna walk after this season too.

 

[JimmyG89]

Brad Hand to the Indians

Cimber has been really good for them too, and he was added into the deal. Mejia (who is one of if not the top catching prospect in baseball) goes the other way.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Thats a nice return for SD.

Mejia is a stud.

 

[nyr2k2]

The other thing about Harvey, I don't think he can play in NY again. It was too much for him. Not the pressure--the pressure I think he could handle. But he was a guy who was prone to distraction, and all the other things NY has to offer. I think if he comes back and re-assumes the "Dark Night" shit he'll just end up falling to pieces, not being able to keep his head in the game. It's probably not what he wants, but some random Southern or Midwestern club is probably his best bet if he wants to continue a career.

 

[SA16]

Mejia is better than anyone the Orioles got for Machado

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rental vs Non Rental.

Hand still has 3 years of control left (It may be 4).

 

[Filthy Dangles]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Depending on the pitcher, you can have all of them.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Depending on the pitcher, you can have all of them.

Hopefully the guy pitching tonight for the Dirty Birds. Yankee scouts apparently will be in attendance at Wrigley.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah there are a few arms in the NL Central that would interest me.

 

[RGY]

Not trading Frazier for any of the pitchers on the market. Not Hamels. Not Happ. Certainly not Fulmer and Archer. Unless it is for deGrom, Noah, or MadBum then Frazier is staying...and obviously he would be part of a package of other great prospects.

Otherwise I take the unpopular route for many fans of bringing up Sheffield. Feinsand made a great point on siriusxm today saying they should bring him up for a start or two before the deadline to see what he’s got and go from there. In all seriousness he should start in the Mets faces and entice them more

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’d part with Frazier + for Martinez or Tallion.

Probably wacha too

 

[RGY]

I’d part with Frazier + for Martinez or Tallion.

Probably wacha too

Those are fair if they are available.

 

[Cassano]

Nah, don't blame him at all for not including Andujar. Kid's going to be a star player.

Also, nobody knew Cole would be pitching like this. Plus, not sure he would be if he ended up with the Yankees.

Can't argue with Andujar's results so far, but I would move him for bonafide, undisputed ace pitcher. Hope Cashman will too.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

RIP CarMart

 

[darko]

Hand is a great pick for Cleveland but they paid premium. Mejia is a stud.

 

[Cassano]

Hand is a great pick for Cleveland but they paid premium. Mejia is a stud.

Horrible trade.

I would never advocate trading that much for any reliever in history of the game. Just why.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We should start a rumor that the Yankees are interested in Chris sale

 

[darko]

Horrible trade.

I would never advocate trading that much for any reliever in history of the game. Just why.

Agreed.

At least Hand is under team control for several years. Cubs paid premium for 3 months of Chapman.

 

[Bob Richards]

Agreed.

At least Hand is under team control for several years. Cubs paid premium for 3 months of Chapman.

Which ended up getting them somewhere obviously but Rajai Davis nearly haunted Chicago dreams until the Earth stopped spinning.