Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

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[ImpartialNHLfan]

Remember the days when it was an honor to wear a Maple Leafs jersey?

 

[FelixPotvin29]

Can anyone update me with the Leafs 11m X 8 offer? Is it true?

 

[613Leafer]

So with all those arguments last year about how Nylander/Matthews deserved more $$ due to cap inflation, those same people (Dreger, looking at you) MUST be willing to take into account the cap potentially just sitting at 80M next year, right?

If Kucherov last summer, after finishing 5th and 3rd in league-wide scoring the previous two seasons signed for 8 years X 9.5M, then Marner this year after finishing 39th and 11th in league-wide scoring must only be worth 8 years X 8.5-9M? Of course this narrative will never get pushed by the media, because it's not exciting, so instead they've been talking about him at ~11M+ for months and months, despite zero market comparisons to get him there.

Gaudreau as another example, finished 6th in league-wide scoring the year before he signed, and that was while playing with a 62 point centre in Monahan. If Marner finished 11th playing with Tavares, where would he have finished in the scoring race playing with Monahan? 20th? Gaudreau's contract pro-rated to an 80M cap would be 6 years X 7.4M for context.

 

[therealkoho]

from @SniperOnTheWing in the previous thread

It would seem by the way these negotiations are going that those noble qualities Marner apparently has are not sincere, but rather being used as leverage to squeeze the team for a contract that says ''listen, I'm the top dog around here not Matthews or Tavares or anyone else''

I love Marner as a player but some true colors are starting to bleed through the blue jersey.​

it's not about the money, it's about the term I know the Leafs want the 8 year commitment, it'll save them a ton in the long run, especially once the gambling money starts to flow into HRR in 2020. The The sooner Mitch get's to UFA the sooner he can have some of that pie.

it's a business first and foremost, always has been, always will be, most of the players at least the elite see the money as an ego thing, there is really zero difference in lifestyle for a guy making 8m or a guy making 11.5 they all know this because they see it with their own eyes, but like I said it's an ego thing, taunts on the ice for the last few years include contract status, how much money their making or not making. It's effin ridiculous, but it's the way it is. The NHLPA drives it, the agent's drive it, the parents drive it. JT before signing with the Leafs had already made 44.25m dollars, he could have signed in Toronto for 5m + the 25-30% exchange rate a year and his great grandchildren would still be living in luxury on the proceeds. He could've but he didn't because he would have been ostracized by the union and probably most of the ultra rabid PA types, and the dude didn't need the added BS, so they all go with the flow. This now includes the new end around play with the RFA contracts

Personally I do not see any hockey player being worth more then 5-8m per season, that's only because of the reality and scale of the economics in today's world, but that now is practically a middle class earner in the league today.

Mitch like a lot of kids in Southern Ontario grow up bleeding B&W and dream of playing for the Leafs one day, I had that same dream but my talent ran out in Jr and JrB at that, but what never changed is my feeling for the Leafs, Mitch undoubtedly feels the same way, but it's a business

 

[crump]

This is all agent and Dad. Recent video shows what a &$&@ he really is. Gives hockey parents a bad name. Disturbing trend with Nylander and Marner. Marner is probably my favourite player, I hope he learned something from Nylander situation and doesn’t screw up his next year. Having said that, I hope Dubas puts the screws to his dad and agent.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The fact the number $11m is still being tossed around is a good indication that no one actually knows how the negotiations are going, because we all know where that number came from and it wasn’t given as a report that that is where negotiations are.

 

[ACC1224]

This is all agent and Dad. Recent video shows what a &$&@ he really is. Gives hockey parents a bad name. Disturbing trend with Nylander and Marner. Marner is probably my favourite player, I hope he learned something from Nylander situation and doesn’t screw up his next year. Having said that, I hope Dubas puts the screws to his dad and agent.

What recent video?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

What recent video?

I think it’s a pretty old video of Paul at the rink with Mitch? No idea how to find it, but it shouldn’t be considered any indication of how Paul is in the negotiations, or if he’s even involved at all.

 

[crump]

What recent video?

Someone posted a video yesterday showing his dad berating, swearing at him at the rink, other parents ignored him when he was making comments on the game..jerk.

 

[ACC1224]

Someone posted a video yesterday showing his dad berating, swearing at him at the rink, other parents ignored him when he was making comments on the game..jerk.

Ok, yeah I've seen that. It's at least 10 years old.
You really consider that recent?

 

[crump]

Ok, yeah I've seen that. It's at least 10 years old.
You really consider that recent?

Posted recently, but do really think he’s changed his stripes?

 

[ACC1224]

Posted recently, but do really think he’s changed his stripes?

Yes. Mitch is a grown up now.

 

[TheProspector]

It's really silly to speculate or judge at this point.

Remember when the most trusted name in hockey, Bob McKenzie, claimed that Kadri was looking for close to $6m/year, and it turned out to be $2.9m?

None of these guys knows anything.

 

[ULF_55]

The fact the number $11m is still being tossed around is a good indication that no one actually knows how the negotiations are going, because we all know where that number came from and it wasn’t given as a report that that is where negotiations are.

Do you not believe this isn't about making as much or more than Matthews?

The 11+ comes from the Matthews contract.

Matthews, Tavares, Rielly are must haves, Marner, Nylander and Kadri are nice to have.

Matthews has already accomplished with rookies and sophomores on his wing.
Tavares has already accomplished for years, he doesn't need an $11 million player on his wing.
Rielly is the key guy on defense.

Realistically, I could care less if Marner made $5 or $15 million, as long as it doesn't handcuff the team from producing a Cup.

 

[Cotton]

Yes. Mitch is a grown up now.

That's not how it works.

 

[Nineteen67]

from @SniperOnTheWing in the previous thread


it's not about the money, it's about the term I know the Leafs want the 8 year commitment, it'll save them a ton in the long run, especially once the gambling money starts to flow into HRR in 2020. The The sooner Mitch get's to UFA the sooner he can have some of that pie.

it's a business first and foremost, always has been, always will be, most of the players at least the elite see the money as an ego thing, there is really zero difference in lifestyle for a guy making 8m or a guy making 11.5 they all know this because they see it with their own eyes, but like I said it's an ego thing, taunts on the ice for the last few years include contract status, how much money their making or not making. It's effin ridiculous, but it's the way it is. The NHLPA drives it, the agent's drive it, the parents drive it. JT before signing with the Leafs had already made 44.25m dollars, he could have signed in Toronto for 5m + the 25-30% exchange rate a year and his great grandchildren would still be living in luxury on the proceeds. He could've but he didn't because he would have been ostracized by the union and probably most of the ultra rabid PA types, and the dude didn't need the added BS, so they all go with the flow. This now includes the new end around play with the RFA contracts

Personally I do not see any hockey player being worth more then 5-8m per season, that's only because of the reality and scale of the economics in today's world, but that now is practically a middle class earner in the league today.

Mitch like a lot of kids in Southern Ontario grow up bleeding B&W and dream of playing for the Leafs one day, I had that same dream but my talent ran out in Jr and JrB at that, but what never changed is my feeling for the Leafs, Mitch undoubtedly feels the same way, but it's a business

What gambling money?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Do you not believe this isn't about making as much or more than Matthews?

The 11+ comes from the Matthews contract.

Matthews, Tavares, Rielly are must haves, Marner, Nylander and Kadri are nice to have.

Matthews has already accomplished with rookies and sophomores on his wing.
Tavares has already accomplished for years, he doesn't need an $11 million player on his wing.
Rielly is the key guy on defense.

Realistically, I could care less if Marner made $5 or $15 million, as long as it doesn't handcuff the team from producing a Cup.

What’s this about Matthews? You mean where Bob supposed that if he were in Mitch’s position he’d equate himself to Matthews? Or when Ferris said Matthews didn’t take a discount?

None of this has anything to do with Mitch’s ask.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is all agent and Dad. Recent video shows what a &$&@ he really is. Gives hockey parents a bad name. Disturbing trend with Nylander and Marner. Marner is probably my favourite player, I hope he learned something from Nylander situation and doesn’t screw up his next year. Having said that, I hope Dubas puts the screws to his dad and agent.

What did Nylander’s father do?

 

[ULF_55]

What’s this about Matthews? You mean where Bob supposed that if he were in Mitch’s position he’d equate himself to Matthews? Or when Ferris said Matthews didn’t take a discount?

None of this has anything to do with Mitch’s ask.

Where do you think his ask came from? Kucherov's superior play?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Where do you think his ask came from? Kucherov's superior play?

What? You tell me, you seem to think you know what his ask is.

 

[Matthews34]

So with the cap coming in lower than expected will that change the Marner's camp demands or is Marner so selfish to blow up the team to fit his ego??

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Can anyone update me with the Leafs 11m X 8 offer? Is it true?

Not true. Listen to the full Friedman interview.

 

[diceman934]

Do you not believe this isn't about making as much or more than Matthews?

The 11+ comes from the Matthews contract.

Matthews, Tavares, Rielly are must haves, Marner, Nylander and Kadri are nice to have.

Matthews has already accomplished with rookies and sophomores on his wing.
Tavares has already accomplished for years, he doesn't need an $11 million player on his wing.
Rielly is the key guy on defense.

Realistically, I could care less if Marner made $5 or $15 million, as long as it doesn't handcuff the team from producing a Cup.

You are so transparent. Marner is a must have. He is our best player and it bothers you so much that it is not Nylander that it is laughable.

 

[therealkoho]

What gambling money?

really?

the NHL starting next season has agreements in place with betting sites and Vegas in regard to royalties, just like the NBA, the NFL and MLB, They're thinking conservatively 200m in the first year, plus a new deal with NBC that is worth another 200m per year, money they did not have before

400m in HRR divide by 32 = 12.5m per team