Miscellaneous NHL Talk XIX
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CanadianFlyer88
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GKJ
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RT @mattsekeres: Was just told Desjardins spurned #Pens b/c offer was for 2 years only, no authority to hire own assts. Now expected to be hired by #Canucks
You have to love how the Penguins off-season is going so far. They can't get any of the people who want to hire to work for them.
You have to love how the Penguins off-season is going so far. They can't get any of the people who want to hire to work for them.
LegionOfDoom91
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The Rutherford hire was a bad choice. I can't imagine any coach with other options would want to go there knowing that you very well could be out in a year or two whether it's deserved or not because a new GM will come in & possibly want to bring his own people in.
Tripod
I hate this team
healthyscratch
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Exactly. The GM was hired and immediately became a lame duck. Why in the world would any coach, especially a first time NHL coach take a 2 year contract along with the lame duck GM? Real stupid business going on in Marioworld.
BackToTheBrierePatch
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I know many thought he would be bought out, some were hoping he would. is Richards going to be overpaid going forward? likely. but he is a very important part of that core and team chemistry means a ton nowadays.
Lombardi probably doesn't want to disrupt the room. With Stoll only having a year left on his deal they probably didn't want to risk losing both.
LegionOfDoom91
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Well it's helps that Richards doesn't have NMC. If things don't work out again next year all he needs to find is one team that wants him.
Ryker
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BackToTheBrierePatch
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obviously that does help. if he did ever want out I would guess Winnipeg or Toronto would be calling.
Just wondering, but did you ever ***** about Shelley's contract?
I hated the contract. Shelley was one ****ing terrible.
kinda wondering why you are asking this question now.
Ryker
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Just seemed kind of pertinent in view of what you wrote about Richards, the notion forwarded by many in the past that Shelley was a character guy that added to the team's cohesion, and their respective contracts/cap hits
Doesn't he?
I remember him being traded before his NTC or NMC (not sure which one) kicked him, hence it should still be active with the Kings.
BackToTheBrierePatch
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Just seemed kind of pertinent in view of what you wrote about Richards, the notion forwarded by many in the past that Shelley was a character guy that added to the team's cohesion, and their respective contracts/cap hits
not seeing the comparison. Shelley played what 10-12 games a season? Even on Richards worst day Shelley couldn't carry his jock.
LegionOfDoom91
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I believe it was voided with the trade, capgeek for example doesn't have him down for having one nor does Carter.
BackToTheBrierePatch
Justice for Cricket
I believe its up to the team that trades for said player to pick up the NTC or NMC. Not sure what the timeline is for them to announce they are invoking or waiving the clause. I am not 100 percent on this. Far from an expert on these things but I thought I read that somewhere after the trades went down
So NTCs/NMCs get voided always when a player is traded?
I remember when Heatley was about to get traded people were saying he won't have a NTC in SJ because he waived it in OTT. So I figured if a player doesn't waive it and is traded before it even kicks in it's still part of his contract.
Random Forest
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Honestly, other than the Flyers winning the Cup, my biggest wish in the NHL is for the Pens to continue toiling to the point where Lemieux's legacy begins to get tainted. Hopefully that would also result in the "underachiever" label being tagged on Crosby and Malkin. That would mean all four of their franchise forwards would have had their legacies tarnished.
I must say, Lemieux is on his way down that path, too. That team is a mess, and it starts at the very top.
LegionOfDoom91
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I don't think so but since Richards' & Carter's didn't kick in at that point LA & Columbus had the option to pick it up or not.
Ryker
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I'm making the comparison in terms of having a player on your team that you deem overpaid, but keep him for chemistry's sake. I'm obviously not comparing their hockey skills. So having said that, how much would you say Richards is overpaid by? I, for one, don't think he's turned into a bad player, but, yeah, that contract might be high for what he brings to the table these days.
If a player is traded before his NTC or NMC clause kicks in, then his new team has the option of picking or not picking it up.
Tripod
I hate this team
I think that if they find a deal for Richards, they will move him. He has value. I think it will happen just before UFA season starts as some teams that feel they are not close on other deal will look to LA...and possibly Philly with Vinny.
While it does seem like there are lots of C available this year, a lot of the trading teams need to re-fill the hole. It's gonna be an exciting 2 weeks coming up!
While it does seem like there are lots of C available this year, a lot of the trading teams need to re-fill the hole. It's gonna be an exciting 2 weeks coming up!
Striiker
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It's gonna be funny next season to watch the Pens trade away Malkin and Crosby so they can tank for McDavid. It's just a habit at this point and they can't help themselves.
healthyscratch
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Prongo
Beer
We have had this debate on the board before and I believe that the team acquiring the player has the option of keeping that trace clause in the contract. Most do out of good faith because they usually won't trade a player who just arrived.
Honestly, and some people may think Im being ridiculous, but I feel like their 90's Stanley Cup championships should be taken away. Just leave those years with a vacant SC winner. It's not ideal but it's a lot better than a cheating organization having those cups.
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