Miscellaneous NHL Talk V6.0 - 2018/19 Regular Season

[Rebels57]

Unless he's bringing those rosters with him, the cup wins aren't relevant.

Experience is never irrelevant.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Hakstol needs to be fired immediately, yeah, but we still have to be careful.

In other words, if we say Hakstol's a 2/10, then sure, the vast majority of coaches would be an upgrade. But, hypothetically, I wouldn't want to be hasty and replace a 2/10 with a 3/10 or a 4/10 and be stuck with that new guy for 4+ years. I'd rather be careful, have an interim for a bit, and find a better improvement.

Now, could Q be an upgrade and do great? Sure, I'm not saying he couldn't, I'm just pointing out causes for concern based on what people familiar with his coaching have said. At the very least, it's not a no-brainer move.

I agree with this post, if not your earlier ones, and I think we have to go back to Hexy. What does he actually want? I don't think he wants progressive hockey - I think he wants LA Kings quicksand hockey, and while we have Sandy, we don't have Johnny Quick, so that is a huge problem. On the other hand, I can't imagine he is happy with the TOI NAK (for example) is getting after his call-up. He's not going to say anything publicly, and may not even want to second-guess his son's coach to his face, but I can't imagine he is happy with it.

This doesn't mean I want Hexy fired - I don't. I just want him to have a Come to Jesus moment with himself. I'm not going to hold my breath on that. But why hire Knob in the first place if he doesn't ultimately want the more progressive hockey we saw out of Knob's Erie? So I guess there's some hope on that front.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Brandon Manning is averaging 15:56 TOI and ranks 6th among defenders on Hawks for that (And was healthy scratch once already)

Kunitz is averaging 11:07 TOI

This love and Q overplaying them is nonsense narrative from Hawk fans who hate Q. Also I would point out with Manning the Hawks are currently without Murphy and were without Forsling until recently (He just joined Ice Hogs and is playing his way into shape now 3 games into his year)

How has he been the last three or so seasons at handling young players - how would you characterize his attitude toward them? (I just want to be clear that I am not being sarcastic - sometimes I make it hard to tell lol but I'm sincerely asking you as a Hawks fan.)

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yes, coaching matters, but it isn't what wins you games and cups. It can definitely lose them for you though..

Did you watch the Hawks cup wins?

Q outcoached the f*** out of all 3 opposing coaches especially in 2nd half of series (Which was a Q trademark)

And he outclassed AV for 3 years (Only reason Nucks finally got past Hawks was because of cap dismantling 2010 team and Bolland missing start of Nucks series) and other so called great coaches along way to 3 cups

 

[Psuhockey]

If anything, this puts a ton more pressure of Hextall. The fans are already restless. Imagine sticking with this doofus while there is a Stanley Cup winning coach out there that the entire fanabase knows.

 

[Striiker]

This goes without saying. Problem is, Hakstol is not capable of this. Quenneville has proven that he is.

Has he though? I mean, Bylsma also won a cup, would anyone here want him?

Like I said, I'm just going by what I read and how scarily similar it sounds to our current problem. The last thing I want is to make a change and not fix our biggest issue.

 

[deadhead]

That's an extremely important part of a teams success. That "set-up." We've seen countless times over the years where teams have great rosters but don't go anywhere in the Playoffs.

Just recently, we saw that between 2010 and 2016 with Pittsburgh and then suddenly, with virtually the same roster, they were able to win back-to-back Cups. Hmm, I wonder what changed in 2016?

Coaching matters. There are great coaches.

Other than turning over half their players in a single season, starting the summer before and then bringing in a half dozen players in trades and promotions from the AHL in mid-season.
New players in the 2015-16 Cup season: Kessel, Cullen, Bonino, Fehr, Dumoulin [Lovejoy and Cole were TDL pickups the previous year]
TDL deals: Hagelin, Daley, Schultz
Promotions: Kuhnhackl, Sheary, Rust, Murray

On the other hand Trotz was considered a failure in Washington until he won with basically the same players.

 

[Striiker]

Did you watch the Hawks cup wins?

Q outcoached the **** out of all 3 opposing coaches especially in 2nd half of series (Which was a Q trademark)

And he outclassed AV for 3 years (Only reason Nucks finally got past Hawks was because of cap dismantling 2010 team and Bolland missing start of Nucks series) and other so called great coaches along way to 3 cups

So what changed then?

Why is he suddenly not outcoaching teams when the roster got worse? How do we know it wasn't just the roster that caused the success? What specifically did he do to outcoach the opponents?

 

[Striiker]

I agree with this post, if not your earlier ones, and I think we have to go back to Hexy. What does he actually want? I don't think he wants progressive hockey - I think he wants LA Kings quicksand hockey, and while we have Sandy, we don't have Johnny Quick, so that is a huge problem. On the other hand, I can't imagine he is happy with the TOI NAK (for example) is getting after his call-up. He's not going to say anything publicly, and may not even want to second-guess his son's coach to his face, but I can't imagine he is happy with it.

This doesn't mean I want Hexy fired - I don't. I just want him to have a Come to Jesus moment with himself. I'm not going to hold my breath on that. But why hire Knob in the first place if he doesn't ultimately want the more progressive hockey we saw out of Knob's Erie? So I guess there's some hope on that front.

What makes me doubt this is his drafting.

When drafting players he seems to understand what's needed in the present day NHL. Speed, smarts, and skill. If he just wants boring, grinding, Hak-style, hockey, then why even draft guys like Sanheim, TK, Frost, etc?

 

[Rebels57]

Has he though? I mean, Bylsma also won a cup, would anyone here want him?

Like I said, I'm just going by what I read and how scarily similar it sounds to our current problem. The last thing I want is to make a change and not fix our biggest issue.

Yes. Absolutely. All you had to do was watch those Chicago teams play during their peak from 2009-2015.

Which biggest issue are you referring to?

 

[Striiker]

Experience is never irrelevant.

Coaching experience doesn't score goals or make saves, and that's what wins cups.

 

[Rebels57]

Did you watch the Hawks cup wins?

Q outcoached the **** out of all 3 opposing coaches especially in 2nd half of series (Which was a Q trademark)

And he outclassed AV for 3 years (Only reason Nucks finally got past Hawks was because of cap dismantling 2010 team and Bolland missing start of Nucks series) and other so called great coaches along way to 3 cups

That's how I remember too. It was fun to watch to him coach in the Playoffs, even as I was usually cheering against Chicago for my breaking my heart in 2010. There are few guys I can say that about.

 

[hatcher]

Striiker is right that coaches are needed but the roster has to be solid to win the cup forsure. Scotty Bowman had stacked teams along with Shero and Keenan and sather and Q but Q would be a great hire.

 

[Striiker]

Yes. Absolutely. All you had to do was watch those Chicago teams play during their peak from 2010-2015.

Which biggest issue are you referring to?

The overuse of bad/outdated players.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Striiker, so who would YOU hire if not Q?

 

[Striiker]

@Striiker, so who would YOU hire if not Q?

Myself.

You can be an assistant.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Myself.

You can be an assistant.

I'm on board with your argument now.

Can I coach the PK? Easiest most secure job in the world.

 

[Striiker]

I'm on board with your argument now.

Can I coach the PK? Easiest most secure job in the world.

Yeah, of course.

 

[Danko]

He is the second-winningest coach in NHL history.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, of course.

Thanks skip.

I'll only make one age joke a week and not in front of the boys.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He is the second-winningest coach in NHL history.

Yeah, well is he almost the second longest tenured Flyers coach in history?

 

[Striiker]

Thanks skip.

I'll only make one age joke a week and not in front of the boys.

Ok perfect, thanks. Just be extra careful in Ubers...

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah, of course.

Can I be your goalie coach?

Surely I cant do any worse then what your coaches have done for decades in that capacity

 

[Striiker]

Can I be your goalie coach?

Surely I cant do any worse then what your coaches have done for decades in that capacity

Sure, I don't see why not. Just be careful, they're incredibly fragile.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Sure, I don't see why not. Just be careful, they're incredibly fragile.

I dunno, I like Gritty for Goalie Coach.