Miscellaneous NHL Talk V6.0 - 2018/19 Regular Season

[Lindberg]

@Striiker, so who would YOU hire if not Q?

This is a good question for you Striiker. Q at least has the track record and has proven to be successful (even if you argue he had a loaded roster). There is something to be said for at least not f***ing up. I feel Hakstol can't even do that and I don't trust Hextall to go out and look for a coach.

 

[Striiker]

I dunno, I like Gritty for Goalie Coach.

No no no no no no no, I don't want Gritty anywhere near this team.

We're done with grit, it's 2018 and we're looking to the future.

 

[Lindberg]

Unless he's bringing those rosters with him, the cup wins aren't relevant.

Not sure how it isn't relevant. Even if he only contributed %1 to those wins, that is still better than Hak and co.

 

[Tripod]

No no no no no no no, I don't want Gritty anywhere near this team.

We're done with grit, it's 2018 and we're looking to the future.

I assume Lou is going to be your nutrition coach? Maybe what not to eat...

 

[Striiker]

This is a good question for you Striiker. Q at least has the track record and has proven to be successful (even if you argue he had a loaded roster). There is something to be said for at least not ****ing up. I feel Hakstol can't even do that and I don't trust Hextall to go out and look for a coach.

I honestly have no clue. I'm just extremely wary of anyone who could potentially be more of the same.

I just want someone who knows what year it is and doesn't overvalue intangibles and heaviness. Whoever fits that description works for me.

Not sure how it isn't relevant. Even if he only contributed %1 to those wins, that is still better than Hak and co.

I have no doubt he'd be an improvement, but I just worry he would still be too similar in the worst areas.

 

[Striiker]

I assume Lou is going to be your nutrition coach? Maybe what not to eat...

Lou can be in charge of catering for the coaching staff, but he's not allowed near the players.

Same with you, until you admit a hot dog is a sandwich.

 

[BigToe]

Been staying out of this conversation because I don’t pay much attention to most teams other than the flyers but... Are there any coaches in the NHL right now running a system a lot different from the majority of teams? Or is everyone running similar stuff?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No no no no no no no, I don't want Gritty anywhere near this team.

We're done with grit, it's 2018 and we're looking to the future.

I hereby tender my resignation.

 

[freakydallas13]

I'm surprised Q got fired before Yeo to be honest. No way he isn't on another team by the start of next season, unless he decides to retire.

 

[Striiker]

I hereby tender my resignation.

Sorry, this job is for life. You can't just leave. Once a PK coach, always a PK coach.

 

[deadhead]

What finesse team has won the Cup since 2005?

For all this talk of a new NHL, Penguins added a fat scorer (Kessel) and a bunch of forecheckers and veteran defensive defenseman (Cole, Daley).
Outside of Kane, Blackhawks weren't finesse, Hossa, Toews, etc. Keith might be a mobile D-man, but Seabrook is 6'2 220.

TB got to the 2015 finals, that's pretty much it.

So I'm wondering, exactly when did the NHL change to a league where forechecking, hitting and physical defensemen have no value?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What finesse team has won the Cup since 2005?

For all this talk of a new NHL, Penguins added a fat scorer (Kessel) and a bunch of forecheckers and veteran defensive defenseman (Cole, Daley).
Outside of Kane, Blackhawks weren't finesse, Hossa, Toews, etc. Keith might be a mobile D-man, but Seabrook is 6'2 220.

TB got to the 2015 finals, that's pretty much it.

So I'm wondering, exactly when did the NHL change to a league where forechecking, hitting and physical defensemen have no value?

You're really going to say the Penguins weren't a finesse team?

 

[bauer]

So what changed then?

Why is he suddenly not outcoaching teams when the roster got worse? How do we know it wasn't just the roster that caused the success? What specifically did he do to outcoach the opponents?

There was a feud between him and Bowman.

It’s not Q’s fault his idiot GM made dumb trades like trading away a star like Panarin for a plug like Saad.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

@Striker

 

[Jray42]

You're really going to say the Penguins weren't a finesse team?

Kessel, Guentzel, Hagelin, Letang, Schultz, Rust, and Sheary don't count. Duh.

 

[Domino666]

I know it’s just talk on a discussion board but I’m not convinced Q would even take the job here, he might retire, I mean Hexy could sell him on the up and coming kids which is a pretty stout selling point but, Q seems like he needs more control then Hexy is willing to give, I don’t know either way, I doubt Hack is going anywhere, so they will continue on in mediocrity until Hexy is axed

 

[Striiker]

@Striker

Ok, I changed my mind. He can be part of my staff.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Before anyone gets any ideas, we definitely do not want him.

I’ve seen Hawk fans ripping him for very similar reasons to why we want Hak gone.

It took him 45 seconds to realize Manning is a chronic fart inhaler.

 

[Striiker]

It took him 45 seconds to realize Manning is a chronic fart inhaler.

Manning is playing more there than Sanheim is here

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Manning is playing more there than Sanheim is here

Sheesh, that seems like it should be fireable negligence.

 

[Striiker]

Sheesh, that seems like it should be fireable negligence.

Should be.

Has Q ever used the word “heavy” as a positive when describing players?

 

[Curufinwe]

Manning's already been a healthy scratch a couple of times, and I would expect quite a few more of those this season.

 

[Striiker]

Manning's already been a healthy scratch a couple of times, and I would expect quite a few more of those this season.

The way things are trending, Sanheim is on track to pick up a few healthy scratches too.

Clearly playing well won't save him from low playing time.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

@Striker

Extended clip for you and better quality IMO

 

[deadhead]

You're really going to say the Penguins weren't a finesse team?

Kessel, Guentzel, Hagelin, Letang, Schultz, Rust, and Sheary don't count. Duh.

The only undersized forward on the 2015-16 team was Carl Hagelin at 5'11 186.
Sheary 5'8 186, Rust 5'11 192 were primarily forecheckers. Think less skilled version of TK this year.
Everyone else was 200+ lbs, including Crosby.
Guenztel came up the next season at 5'11 180, but they also brought in Hainsey, 6'3 205 and Rowney 6'2 206.
Defense: Letang 6'0 201, Dumoulin 6'4 207, Cole 6'1 219, Lovejoy 6'1 205, Daley 5'11 195, Schultz 6'2 193, Maata 6'2 206
Sullivan brought his pressure game from the AHL.

What has changed in the NHL is that slugs no longer have a place in the game, but hitting, pressure, and big defensemen are still valued.
Your bottom six guys tend to be full sized players who can skate but don't have polished skills.
Only "slug" Hextall has drafted in 5 years has been Strome, and that was in the 4th round.
Cousins, Ghost, Leier predate his arrival, Weal is the only undersized player he added.

But look at all the Cup winners, and even the losers other than TB, you won't see a lot of smurfs, if a team has one or two smaller players, they're on a line with bigger forwards or paired with a big defenseman.

Only undersized players on the Caps, Djoos 6'0 169, 10:51 in the playoffs
Nashville 2016, Ryan Ellis 5'10 180
San Jose 2015, Karlsson 6'0 180
Rangers 2014, St Louis 5'8 180, Hagelin 5'11 186, Stralman 5'11 190
And so on. Kings were a big physical team, Bruins, Datsyuk was 5'11 194, Hudler 5'10 190, smallest guys for Detroit