Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LVII: Countdown to June 2nd and the draft lottery

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I just love how Pierre substitutes facts and anecdotes for any kind of personality.

Yes. Ned is from Parma, Ohio. What does that add to the broadcast, you weird goddamn bald man?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

clearly Foegele did this

 

[DancingPanther]

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clearly Foegele did this

There's no reasoning. It's nuts

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I just love how Pierre substitutes facts and anecdotes for any kind of personality.

Yes. Ned is from Parma, Ohio. What does that add to the broadcast, you weird goddamn bald man?

America when Regis reads off every player’s biography...

 

[BringBackHakstol]

These refs are high

 

[Rebels57]

Pretty f***ing weak call on Carrier

 

[Beef Invictus]

Giving Carolina a 5 on 3 is probably not a great idea

 

[DancingPanther]

YOOOOOOO

 

[Rebels57]

Hate to see a game end because of a call that weak but that dissallowed goal earlier was also trash.

How the hell did that even go in?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jordan Staal is only 32, it feels like he's been playing for 30 years

 

[DancingPanther]

Pretty f***ing weak call on Carrier

But why do it in the first place. Stupid. He deserves all of this.

 

[Magua]

Pesce, one of the better defenders in the league, had the 3rd highest offensive WAR this season for defensemen. That’s nuts. Gotta like Staal being the X factor too on this young team. He’s the oldest starting skater at 32! Everyone else is sub-30.

Love
My
Canes

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Pesce, one of the better defenders in the league, had the 3rd highest offensive WAR this season for defensemen. That’s nuts.

Love
My
Canes

Pesce is a wizard. Slavin and Dougie get all the talk, but Pesce is right up there with them.

 

[DancingPanther]

What the canes need is safe hockey. I know a guy

 

[Magua]

Pesce is a wizard. Slavin and Dougie get all the talk, but Pesce is right up there with them.

It’s not fair how good all 3 of them are, without overlapping with any of each other. Imagine if the Canes had McAvoy instead of Bean too.

If they can find a cheap under the radar 4th defender, it’s game over, maaaan. I hope Douglas re-signs there without bleeding the Canes because it’s a perfect trio.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

It’s not fair how good all 3 of them are, without overlapping with any of each other. Imagine if the Canes had McAvoy instead of Bean too.

If they can find a cheap under the radar 4th defender, it’s game over, maaaan. I hope Douglas re-signs there without bleeding the Canes because it’s a perfect trio.

If the Canes had Pigboy on top of Museumbitch (phrasing), they would not be cool at all anymore.

 

[Magua]

If the Canes had Pigboy on top of Museumbitch (phrasing), they would not be cool at all anymore.

Their mascot is litrilly a Pigboy. It’s actually pretty on brand.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Their mascot is litrilly a Pigboy. It’s actually pretty on brand.

Stormy is an ice hog tyvm

 

[DancingPanther]

Their mascot is litrilly a Pigboy. It’s actually pretty on brand.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

If they can find a cheap under the radar 4th defender, it’s game over, maaaan.

The hockey world may not be ready to hear this, but Brady Skjei may be that guy. He really stepped up while Slavin was out.

 

[Magua]

The hockey world may not be ready to hear this, but Brady Skjei may be that guy. He really stepped up while Slavin was out.

If my Canes brethren are happy, I'm happy. I do think that Skjei trade was one of the more head scratching moves my adopted team has made. He's definitely not what I'd call cheap either haha -- especially with Douglas in need of a contract. Do they leave Skjei exposed and hope to get rid of the cap hit? It's not like Jake Bean is good, but he's not 5.25 mil for 3 years. And Gardiner's contract is still on the books.

I'll tell you who screams Hurricanes. Jake McCabe. He's blossomed into one of the more underrated defensive defensemen in the league, but he's coming off an injury......and he has the Buffalo label. He might be really cost effective and fit their philosophy, if they could sign Douglas and shed a contract.

 

[Beef Invictus]

But why do it in the first place. Stupid. He deserves all of this.

Yep. Dont give refs the opportunity to make the call. It was really pointless.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What the canes need is safe hockey. I know a guy

Somewhere AV was spitting on his TV when Necas sped in to score instead of safely dumping it to the corner

 

[DancingPanther]

Somewhere AV was spitting on his TV when Necas sped in to score instead of safely dumping it to the corner

Like McDavid should have done. If he was a leader, that is

 

[deadhead]

Canes managed to miss the playoffs 9 straight seasons, and I don't think they were deliberately tanking.
And it wasn't even by terrible drafting, but some funky management:

2009: Paradis #27, Dumoulin #51 (traded with Sutter and 2012 1st [Pouliot] for Jordan Staal)
2010: Skinner #7, Faulk #37, Anderson G #187
2011: Murphy #12, Rask C #42
2012: Di Guiseppe #38, B McGinn #52, Slavin #120
2013: Lindholm #5, Pesce #36
2014: Fleury #7, Nedeljkovic G #37, Foegele #67
2015: Hanifin #5, Aho #35, Lorenz #186
2016: Bean #13, Gaither #21, Kuokkanen #43
2017: Necas #12, Luostarinen #42
2018: Svechnikov #2

They were build much like the Flyers, while they had more high picks, all but Svechnikov have been traded or allowed to walk.
Waddell took over in summer of 2018:
6/23/18 - Hamilton, Ferland and Fox for Hanifin and Lindholm
8/2/18 - 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd for Skinner
1/17/19 - Niederreiter for Rask
4/30/19 - 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd for Fox
9/24/19 - Edmundson for Faulk [then Edmundson for 5th rd pick]
2/24/20 - Skjei for 2020 1st
2/24/20 - Trocheck for Haula, Wallmark, Luuostarinen
10/10/20 - signed Fast
4/12/21 - Hakanpaa and 6th rd pick for Fleury

What is interesting is Carolina lost in terms of "value" in most of their trades.
They had five picks in the top 10, 4 which were traded away, garnering Hamilton, Hakanpaa and a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th rd pick
The rebuild started with the 2012 draft (after wasting 3 years), less about the top picks but about adding 2+ starters a draft for a long period.
That critical mass allowed them to trade for Hamilton, give a 1st for Skjei.

Took 7 years from when the rebuild started to make the playoffs, two more years to be a legitimate contender.
Which counsels patience with the current Flyers, as long as you keep adding 2+ players a draft, eventually it should pay off.