OT: Minnesota Pro Sports Thread #9

[Blizzard6411]

Didn't read through the earlier posts, sorry.

If you follow football and/or the draft at all you should know that making such definitive statements about a player who was just drafted is very silly.

I follow football as much as anybody and in particular the Pac 12. I will stand by statement about the pick of Barr being a horrible pick at 9

 

[gphr513]

I'm pretty sure I have never seen Barr play a down of football in my life (I probably have, just wouldn't have been able to pick him out of a two man lineup at the time), so I have nothing to refute your point.

And you very well could be right, that he will be a bust. But to speak in such absolutes, like you were doing, is over the top.

 

[Northland Wild Man]

i will trust zimmer over most on the defensive players. not getting manziel hurts but perhaps they like another qb more. hopefully they get the qb that they like... jimmy?

Brock Jensen

 

[Generic User]

Actually nobody said they had faith in the pick. Someone scorned me for having an opinion that was opposite of the Zimmers and Spielmans making the pick.

There is a difference. If you don't like my opinion on the pick of Barr then go ahead and tell me why not just simply some sophomoric "I will trust Zimmer over you" nonsense.

When did I say I trust Zimmer over you? I took the stance of no one knows, including you. Why not wait and see? Especially in the NFL draft, extreme reactions in either direction are just stupid. There's no sure thing. Plenty of players expected to be perennial Pro Bowlers have busted and expected busts have turned into Pro Bowlers. Some games translate, some don't. Maybe I just don't like to rile myself up.

 

[Blizzard6411]

I'm pretty sure I have never seen Barr play a down of football in my life (I probably have, just wouldn't have been able to pick him out of a two man lineup at the time), so I have nothing to refute your point.

And you very well could be right, that he will be a bust. But to speak in such absolutes, like you were doing, is over the top.

Anthony Barr is not worthy of being picked at 9. It is an absolute opinion I have and it isn't over the top. It is an opinion that I feel strongly about based on having watched him play every game for the past two years.

I am sorry if you are offended that I have an absolute opinion but I do. It is a board, opinions are allowed even if they are absolute opinions, If there is a rule against having absolute opinions then please direct me to that rule.

If you have something to refute my absolute opinion then by all means post it and lets debate it, it is a forum after all that should accept opinions even if they be absolute ones and debate.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

Actually nobody said they had faith in the pick. Someone scorned me for having an opinion that was opposite of the Zimmers and Spielmans making the pick.

There is a difference. If you don't like my opinion on the pick of Barr then go ahead and tell me why not just simply some sophomoric "I will trust Zimmer over you" nonsense.

This is all quite reminiscent of the Kurtis Gabriel draft pick and the stupid nonsense that came out of that.

I think Barr is a horrible pick at #9 for anybody, don't like the opinion then go ahead and tell me why but leave the "he was picked therefore your opinion is wrong" nonsense.

You said this last year about Patterson:

4 picks for a wr that really isn't that much better then the other 5 or 6 wr's that will go in the 2nd rd.

Just wow!

Sorry If I don't value your opinion.

 

[Blizzard6411]

When did I say I trust Zimmer over you? I took the stance of no one knows, including you. Why not wait and see? Especially in the NFL draft, extreme reactions in either direction are just stupid. There's no sure thing. Plenty of players expected to be perennial Pro Bowlers have busted and expected busts have turned into Pro Bowlers. Some games translate, some don't. Maybe I just don't like to rile myself up.

Did I say it was you?
It isn't an extreme reaction, it is a reasoned reaction that Barr was a really bad pick at 9 compared to what players and what positions they played were available.

 

[gphr513]

I think we're getting into semantics here. It's your opinion that Barr will fail, fair enough.

The Spielman **** the bed comment is just what irked me a bit. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but it did. Haha

As I said earlier, I have absolutely nothing to debate with because I've never seen Barr play.

I sincerely hope your opinion is wrong, as a Vikes fan

 

[Blizzard6411]

You said this last year about Patterson:




Sorry If I don't value your opinion.

And I still stand by what I said about Patterson. He hasn't done anything in the NFL to show he is an impact WR. After year 1 I am far closer to being right about Patterson than I am to being wrong about him.

 

[gphr513]

Oh boy

 

[Blizzard6411]

Spielman just un **** the bed.

That was a fantastic move that every Viking fan should celebrate

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Teddy!!!!

 

[Generic User]

Spielman just changed the sheets from when he **** the bed earlier.

 

[gphr513]

Wait waaaaaaaat?!

I had already turned it off and started playing FIFA

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Anthony "the ghost" Barr?

The Pac 12 legend teams heard about but he never ever showed up in a game that mattered!!!

The Lions wtf?????? An already solid team at TE completely ignores their glaring DB needs

2 sacks against Oregon, 2 against USC. I'd say those games mattered.

 

[Jbcraig1883]

Not a football guy by any mean but I work at the UofL and Teddy was in my college. Good kid and think he can do some great things if he has some protection.

 

[Blizzard6411]

Hold on...they gave up a 2nd and 4th?

That is just ****ing stupid when you could have had him 9 to begin with!!!!!

 

[Generic User]

Hold on...they gave up a 2nd and 4th?

That is just ****ing stupid when you could have had him 9 to begin with!!!!!

I can't even anymore. Goodnight everyone!

 

[Casper]

Hold on...they gave up a 2nd and 4th?

That is just ****ing stupid when you could have had him 9 to begin with!!!!!

Than they would not have gotten Barr?

Obviously the Vikes Front office has a different draft strategy than you.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Hold on...they gave up a 2nd and 4th?

That is just ****ing stupid when you could have had him 9 to begin with!!!!!

9 was too high. They have Seattle's 3rd and Cleveland's 5th as well. The 4th wasn't too high of a price to pay.

 

[gphr513]

Hold on...they gave up a 2nd and 4th?

That is just ****ing stupid when you could have had him 9 to begin with!!!!!

So essentially, the net for the night was:

Gave up: 2nd and 4th
Got: 5th, Barr, Bridgewater

I suppose if you're one of those folks who think Barr is not worth the breath that was used to announce his name that wouldn't look great

But I don't think that looks too bad. Essentially downgraded the 4th to a 5th, and gave up our second so we could have another 1st. Now that I type it out, that actually seems like a pretty good deal.

 

[Loopy0ne]

spielman playing the numbers game... we shall see

 

[Blizzard6411]

2 sacks against Oregon, 2 against USC. I'd say those games mattered.

4 tackles v UofO and 5 v USC.

Barr was nowhere to be found in those games and UCLA lost 42-14 and 35-14 in those games.

0 FF or Int for all of 2013.

Not an impact player and easily blocked by drafted OL in the Pac 12.

 

[Loopy0ne]

4 tackles v UofO and 5 v USC.

Barr was nowhere to be found in those games and UCLA lost 42-14 and 35-14 in those games.

0 FF or Int for all of 2013.

Not an impact player and easily blocked by drafted OL in the Pac 12.

but he was not deployed by zimmer, right?

 

[Blizzard6411]

Than they would not have gotten Barr?

Obviously the Vikes Front office has a different draft strategy than you.

You are right, they wouldn't have.