Proposal: Min - pitt

[Lemieuxs]

When teams win championships they pay the guys who won them. This happens in all sports and is why you see teams like Chicago and LA struggling. The Pens d in 2015/2016 was looking pretty bad, then the whole team got going and they brought in Schultz, who has been resigned since. I don't think 28 million is that much when you consider Letang is 7.25 of that.

"This happens in all sports and is why you see teams like Chicago and LA struggling."

This is exactly what has happened along with the unreasonable signing of Jack Johnson to a 5 year deal. 28 million / 35% is bad. You might not think it is, but it is not something that indicates past success.

 

[nt3005]

"This happens in all sports and is why you see teams like Chicago and LA struggling."

This is exactly what has happened along with the unreasonable signing of Jack Johnson to a 5 year deal. 28 million / 35% is bad. You might not think it is, but it is not something that indicates past success.

It isn't about past success. Teams reward players for Championships. Everyone wants players to be loyal when signing deals, but not the team. Imagine if players in the NHL held out like they do in the NFL everyone would hate it, thats why teams pay their players.

 

[Lemieuxs]

It isn't about past success. Teams reward players for Championships. Everyone wants players to be loyal when signing deals, but not the team. Imagine if players in the NHL held out like they do in the NFL everyone would hate it, thats why teams pay their players.

Loyalty is fine, and appreciated. But as you have said yourself, it is what is creating problems for teams that win cups. SOOOO, yes it IS about past success. Otherwise, a GM is doing a disservice to his organization. What the Penguins have right now is quite possibly one of the worst defense corps in the NHL yet they are paying the highest percentage of the cap they ever have. Does not compute.

 

[57special]

I don't see how paying Brodin 4M/yr is a problem for any team.

 

[nt3005]

Loyalty is fine, and appreciated. But as you have said yourself, it is what is creating problems for teams that win cups. SOOOO, yes it IS about past success. Otherwise, a GM is doing a disservice to his organization. What the Penguins have right now is quite possibly one of the worst defense corps in the NHL yet they are paying the highest percentage of the cap they ever have. Does not compute.

I would have to look, but I assume teams with the best d corps have a higher percentage than 28%.

 

[domaug]

i don't know if either team does it, but i think the value is actually pretty close. if either team needed a huge shake-up deal, this is as close to a "hockey trade" as you could probably get.

 

[Lemieuxs]

I would have to look, but I assume teams with the best d corps have a higher percentage than 28%.

28%? I am saying the Penguins are at 35%. Find me a team that won the cup with a 35% cap hit on defense.

 

[AKL]

28%? I am saying the Penguins are at 35%. Find me a team that won the cup with a 35% cap hit on defense.

It’s not necessarily that 28m/35% is horrible, it’s that the players you spend it on aren’t worth that.

The Wild I think are around 25m for their top 6, but our defensemen are much better for the money.

So there is a problem, but the bigger problem is the who, not the how much.

 

[Bazeek]

28%? I am saying the Penguins are at 35%. Find me a team that won the cup with a 35% cap hit on defense.

If shedding cap from the blueline is a priority for Pittsburgh, making a significant upgrade without adding cap seems like a strong first step. At that point you can try to shed someone like Oleksiak or Johnson (I assume?) for picks and still ice a decent top-4.

 

[nt3005]

28%? I am saying the Penguins are at 35%. Find me a team that won the cup with a 35% cap hit on defense.

I mistyped that, I meant 28 million. Its hard to compare teams that have won the cup since 2009 only different teams have won. I also still dont think 35% is that far off.

 

[nt3005]

Cap friendly has Pitts D salary at $22,395,833 am I missing something? Minnesotas D is @ $26,517,629

 

[Darren McCord]

Brodin and Maata have almost identical cap hits. Brodin's contract is just a year shorter.

Ya it’s a lateral cap move for a big upgrade

 

[Darren McCord]

letang Dumo
Brodin Schultz

Would be a great top 4

And rikola johnson could be a solid btm pairing with Oleksiak as the 7th

 

[Wabit]

Cap friendly has Pitts D salary at $22,395,833 am I missing something? Minnesotas D is @ $26,517,629

Schultz (RD) $5.5m is on LTIR currently.

 

[LiffLaff]

Minnesota says yes. Kessel has been a bit of a playoff choker but if he can snap that and light it up with the Wild come april/may then I could see this deal being a massive win for the Wild.

75pts in 83 games is chocking?

 

[Bazeek]

75pts in 83 games is chocking?

Choking on points. Slow down, Phil.

 

[Lemieuxs]

Cap friendly has Pitts D salary at $22,395,833 am I missing something? Minnesotas D is @ $26,517,629

Yea, you are missing the Justin Schultz 5.5 million cap hit because he got injured.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I find it odd that Pens fans aren't in this thread going crazy. Has Maatta been that bad?

 

[rynryn]

If Suter insists on playing with Spurgeon then no, we can't afford to do this. Value wise I think it's good if we're looking for short term improvement in forward scoring. Seems like a safe bet. For long term stability though not so much. We are already the oldest team in the league. right hand shot tho.

 

[MNRube]

This Wild fan would take this deal in a heartbeat.

Granlund-Staal-Kessel
Zucker-Koivu-Parise
Greenway-Eriksson Ek-Coyle
Foligno-Fehr-Brown

Would be a great F core. Still have Suter, Spurgeon and Dumba on blueline

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I do this trade because if granlund has a player who can actually bury pucks he gets 90 points. If granlund and kessel are a PPG, I’ve got wood. I’m just hoping the wild finish 7th in the class detente so we can play pacific division team in the playoffs. I think if we went through the pacific we could do some damage. I don’t like how MN matches up with NSH, WIN, COL, or ever Dallas. I’d much prefer to play the sharks or flames in first round

 

[Son Goku]

Minnesota says yes. Kessel has been a bit of a playoff choker but if he can snap that and light it up with the Wild come april/may then I could see this deal being a massive win for the Wild.

Lol wat Kessel a PO choker???

 

[Pengwins]

I like this trade

 

[Son Goku]

I find it odd that Pens fans aren't in this thread going crazy. Has Maatta been that bad?

He's not terrible he's just not fast enough for our system. He'd do great on a bigger western team.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I find it odd that Pens fans aren't in this thread going crazy. Has Maatta been that bad?

I like Olli but it's obvious that the Pens have no plans to fire Sullivan anytime soon. Olli is just a terrible fit for what Sullivan asks of his defensemen. Sullivan needs defensemen that can be aggressive and skate. Olli is a positional defenseman with high IQ. His physical skills for his skating/thinking just don't compute with Sullivan wanting his defensemen to be ultra aggressive with pinching all the time. Olli would be tremendous under the right coach. Under Sullivan he looks like a turnstile at times because of the constant pinching he asks the D to do. Oleksiak gets away with it because his wingspan is so damn big he is good at pinching to keep the puck in and also to stop guys from flying around him because of his size/wingspan.

For as much as we bitch about Maatta, I've seen enough of him over the years and under different coaches to realize Olli isn't the issue. He needs to play in a defensive system where positioning is more important than pinching. Sullivan needs a bunch of Torrey Krug's, Ryan Ellis types, etc.