Mikko Rantanen - MOOSE - 96

[Vaslof]

Think about it like this: He's already a top 10 player in the league as is, and you still see many ways he can improve. This guy has no ceiling, he could become the best player in the league.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

People that are not seeing the difference in his game (not production, I say again game not production) since the trades were not paying attention...regardless of how many points he was and is currently scoring.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Looking like back-to-back 100 point seasons and if you include pacing, that’s 4, or 5 100 point pace seasons in his career.

Special talent for sure. Nice to see his scoring touch getting back to usual form with the playoffs approaching.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Yep.

The last 5 games:
-8 goals
-13 points
-4 x 1st star of the game

That's simply not good enough because there were few times that he didn't skate as hard as Cogliano, Wood and you know, other depth players.

We want more of those guys and less these Rantanen guys so we can win another cup.

Yours truly,
The Avs board

It really confuses me how you want to warp the narrative just to 'dunk' on your fellow brothers in arms just because many have a different perspective/opinion than you.

 

[Snow Arc]

Dude, where's my Kovy?

 

[McMetal]

It really confuses me how you want to warp the narrative just to 'dunk' on your fellow brothers in arms just because many have a different perspective/opinion than you.

I'm not sure he's really an Avs fan. He's more like the Finnish equivalent of those guys who wear American flag underwear.

 

[MaKarter]

I'm not sure he's really an Avs fan. He's more like the Finnish equivalent of those guys who wear American flag underwear.

KALSARIKÄNNIT

 

[expatriatedtexan]

KALSARIKÄNNIT

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Kalsarikännit: The true reason Finns always top the world list of happiest nations.

 

[Vaslof]

I'm not sure he's really an Avs fan. He's more like the Finnish equivalent of those guys who wear American flag underwear.

It's a tradition and a meme here that hockey fans who "follow" the NHL only check how many points the Finnish players scored the previous night.

 

[Qurpiz]

KALSARIKÄNNIT

Something of an expert on the subject and no, kalsarikännit never involves dancing. Of any kind.

 

[Avs_19]

Looking like back-to-back 100 point seasons and if you include pacing, that’s 4, or 5 100 point pace seasons in his career.

Special talent for sure. Nice to see his scoring touch getting back to usual form with the playoffs approaching.

The exact type of elite player you try to keep rather than trading for third line depth and I'm sure they'll find a way.

 

[MaKarter]

Something of an expert on the subject and no, kalsarikännit never involves dancing. Of any kind.

Ah, noted.

 

[JH21]

It really confuses me how you want to warp the narrative just to 'dunk' on your fellow brothers in arms just because many have a different perspective/opinion than you.

What exactly is your perspective/opinion on him?

It blows my mind that people criticize him.

It's a tradition and a meme here that hockey fans who "follow" the NHL only check how many points the Finnish players scored the previous night.

But you take notes on how fast he skates or supposed “lack of effort” from each shift while he’s putting up 3 points a night?

I could care less if he is literally crawling on all 4’s on the ice as long as he is putting up elite scoring numbers.

Only Avalanche fans would find fault in a guy who has 96 points and is 6th in league scoring.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

But you take notes on how fast he skates or supposed “lack of effort” from each shift while he’s putting up 3 points a night?

I could care less if he is literally crawling on all 4’s on the ice as long as he is putting up elite scoring numbers.

Only Avalanche fans would find fault in a guy who has 96 points and is 6th in league scoring.

This is such a typical post from you.
Points! Points! Points! Nothing else matters. Give me.....................POINTS!

 

[JH21]

This is such a typical post from you.
Points! Points! Points! Nothing else matters. Give me.....................POINTS!

Yes. You’re right.

Does anything else matter more when it comes to our elite 1st line player?

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Yes. You’re right.

Does anything else matter more when it comes to our elite 1st line player?

Yes other things matter but you wouldn't be able to understand.

 

[Miri]

This is such a typical post from you.
Points! Points! Points! Nothing else matters. Give me.....................POINTS!

To be fair, i think there is certain threshold when it comes to point production, that once you cross, you are kind of excused for your other downsized like worse defensive play, as the extra points you produce kind of make up for it. Mikko is surely past that threshold. I’d like to see the 100 point player with elite defense. Pretty sure MacK, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisaitl or Pasta are not that awesome in that regard either.

Seems lot of people here are convinced that 50/60ish player with strong defense is more critical to success than player like Mikko. Now, you certainly need those kind of players - the thing, we already have them. Nichuskin, now Mittelstadt, Lehkonen, Landeskog, if he ever returns. What we dont really have, aside of MacK, is another top talent, that wins you game on the basis of his sheer talent. Imagine we get rid of Mikko in favor of lesser players and MacK gets hurt for couple of months. You will be looking at Seattle 2.0. Is this what people want for Avs, what they see as the blueprint for success?

 

[GeoRox89]

Yes other things matter but you wouldn't be able to understand.

Do you mean if given the choice of who to build a team around between prime Bergeron/Kopitar or Rantanen, you’d probably pick the former and not the latter despite points? Craziness. Position and all around play are totally irrelevant

 

[JH21]

Yes other things matter but you wouldn't be able to understand.

I said what matters MORE?

To be fair, i think there is certain threshold when it comes to point production, that once you cross, you are kind of excused for your other downsized like worse defensive play, as the extra points you produce kind of make up for it. Mikko is surely past that threshold. I’d like to see the 100 point player with elite defense. Pretty sure MacK, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisaitl or Pasta are not that awesome in that regard either.

Seems lot of people here are convinced that 50/60ish player with strong defense is more critical to success than player like Mikko. Now, you certainly need those kind of players - the thing, we already have them. Nichuskin, now Mittelstadt, Lehkonen, Landeskog, if he ever returns. What we dont really have, aside of MacK, is another top talent, that wins you game on the basis of his sheer talent. Imagine we get rid of Mikko in favor of lesser players and MacK gets hurt for couple of months. You will be looking at Seattle 2.0. Is this what people want for Avs, what they see as the blueprint for success?

Sane, logical posts are not allowed in here.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yes other things matter but you wouldn't be able to understand.

This board absolutely destroys Drai(rightfully so) for how awful he is off the puck and he is more productive(well not this year) than Mikko. It's at least consistent regardless if it's right or not.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

I’m not going to get into the hostility of this debate, but yeah, if you score 100 points the rest of the stuff doesn’t mean shit.

Patrick Kane hasn’t played a lick of defence his entire career and he was a lynch pin on dynasty Hawks team.

Mikko’s defence has been legit bad this year, but in years past it’s been passable, even good at times. Rantanen obviously offers more than points to with his ability to win board battles too.

And I’ll stand by this… I see effort from Mikko, I think his legs simply let him down sometimes. Girard is very similar.

The fact that Mikko is going to go down as one of the all-time great Avs snd gets treated pretty poorly by the fan base is disappointing.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I’m not going to get into the hostility of this debate, but yeah, if you score 100 points the rest of the stuff doesn’t mean shit.

Patrick Kane hasn’t played a lick of defence his entire career and he was a lynch pin on dynasty Hawks team.

Mikko’s defence has been legit bad this year, but in years past it’s been passable, even good at times. Rantanen obviously offers more than points to with his ability to win board battles too.

And I’ll stand by this… I see effort from Mikko, I think his legs simply let him down sometimes. Girard is very similar.

The fact that Mikko is going to go down as one of the all-time great Avs snd gets treated pretty poorly by the fan base is disappointing.

If he comes in at, say, 12M, thats not a huge increase. Yeah, for elite level players, it's easy to justify accommodating this.

 

[Vaslof]

What exactly is your perspective/opinion on him?

It blows my mind that people criticize him.



But you take notes on how fast he skates or supposed “lack of effort” from each shift while he’s putting up 3 points a night?

I could care less if he is literally crawling on all 4’s on the ice as long as he is putting up elite scoring numbers.

Only Avalanche fans would find fault in a guy who has 96 points and is 6th in league scoring.

Ow I'm taking strays here. I'm a big Rantanen fan. I'm not a big fan of Rantanen fans.

 

[JH21]

Do you mean if given the choice of who to build a team around between prime Bergeron/Kopitar or Rantanen, you’d probably pick the former and not the latter despite points? Craziness. Position and all around play are totally irrelevant

If your 1C is only putting up 50-70 points they better play elite D.

If your 1C is only putting up 50-70 points and offering nothing else you won’t win many games.

 

[UnkleKraker]

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Kalsarikännit: The true reason Finns always top the world list of happiest nations.

This is new to me and I am in love with the concept. Well done my Finn friends.