Mikhail Grigorenko

[Freudian]

Two years @ $1.2M/year seems about right. It's more than he has earned, but it's likely it'll be fair for both parties during those two years.

 

[AvalancheFan19]

Two years @ $1.2M/year seems about right. It's more than he has earned, but it's likely it'll be fair for both parties during those two years.

I believe in paying for what you are going to get rather than what they have done, personally. Although, the past is the best indication of the future.

 

[agentblack]

I super cautious giving him anything over 1m or more than 2 years. I love Grigs but im still in the im not sure what he's gonna do or be group. I remain optimistic though

 

[EdAVSfan]

I super cautious giving him anything over 1m or more than 2 years. I love Grigs but im still in the im not sure what he's gonna do or be group. I remain optimistic though

I don't know why you'd feel the need to be super cautious with a million or slightly more contract. At the end of the day, it would still be almost completely buriable (definitely not a word) contract.

 

[henchman21]

I don't know why you'd feel the need to be super cautious with a million or slightly more contract. At the end of the day, it would still be almost completely buriable (definitely not a word) contract.

If the outrage about Holden and Mitchell's contracts are any indication, people don't like overpaying on a contract in the 1 million range either.

The problem with giving Grigo term is he may bust out as soon as next summer, then the Avs are pulling dead weight for 2 more seasons. It is just a risk, it could be a calculated one, but one nonetheless.

 

[EdAVSfan]

If the outrage about Holden and Mitchell's contracts are any indication, people don't like overpaying on a contract in the 1 million range either.

The problem with giving Grigo term is he may bust out as soon as next summer, then the Avs are pulling dead weight for 2 more seasons. It is just a risk, it could be a calculated one, but one nonetheless.

I think the bigger problem with Holden and Mitchell is in their usage, and not in their salaries. If Holden was used as a 6th dman, I think there'd be a lot more acceptance. Everyone seems to enjoy Mitchell in a 4th line role as well.

Grigs at just over a million, even if he completely busts, would basically not count against the cap if he was sent to the minors. If he busts, and Roy continues to keep him on the first line, then yes, people will be upset.

 

[henchman21]

I think the bigger problem with Holden and Mitchell is in their usage, and not in their salaries. If Holden was used as a 6th dman, I think there'd be a lot more acceptance. Everyone seems to enjoy Mitchell in a 4th line role as well.

Grigs at just over a million, even if he completely busts, would basically not count against the cap if he was sent to the minors. If he busts, and Roy continues to keep him on the first line, then yes, people will be upset.

There are probably a few thousand posts that disagree with this littered throughout the board. FTR, I'm with you. Overpaying isn't a big deal in this range, just be sure to get some security with the overpayment. In this case, that means term.

 

[tigervixxxen]

People complain all the time that McLeod's contract is holding us back from paying XYZ. One tha gets overlooked in the complaining is Gelinas. I don't have an issue with giving him a shot but if we are seriously getting to the point of pinching pennies over contracts in this range then his 1.575 sticks out.

 

[Pokecheque]

The only outrage I had about the Holden deal was that they had no reason whatsoever to do it when they did. He still had a full season of his previous (and much cheaper) deal on the books. Because of one ridiculously good partial season and because they liked him so much they totally jumped the gun and signed him for three more years. And he promptly tanked there afterwards (though he had a decent bounceback last year at least). It's one thing to not live up to your contract but to not live up to it before it even kicks in is another thing. I mean, even if he managed to be productive the next season there was no reason to believe he would be the subject of some silly bidding war.

Didn't and still don't have a problem with the Johnny Malkin deal. He's a perfectly good 4th line guy. I just didn't like it when Sacco or Roy bumped him up the lineup in situations where injuries didn't force their hands.

 

[EdAVSfan]

There are probably a few thousand posts that disagree with this littered throughout the board. FTR, I'm with you. Overpaying isn't a big deal in this range, just be sure to get some security with the overpayment. In this case, that means term.

Oh no doubt, I remember the complaining about the contract.

I'm just thinking if it was more of a case of ppl complaining that we would have to watch Holden play in a top 4 role for so many more years. I wasn't a fan of the contract either. But had he been in a proper role, with the occasional stints in the AHL as well, I would've more than fine with it.

It's pretty hard to complain about 1.5% of the cap. It just felt like management couldn't see that he was incapable of quality play and were forcing the issue.

I mean, how many times did Holden LEAD a game night in ice time. I think that's more of a reason to complain about the contract. It just felt like we couldn't get away with how enamoured he was by Roy.

 

[henchman21]

It just felt like management couldn't see that he was incapable of quality play and were forcing the issue.

They and Roy knew... they also didn't want to screw up the development of kids to pull him out either. The Avs for the past couple years really haven't had other good options for that spot, and when the kids showed they might be ready... Holden got shipped off (he even almost got shipped off at the deadline). Holden for all of his faults was probably the 4th best defensemen on the team the past two years behind EJ, Barrie, and Beauch/Hejda. The fact that he could play all specialty teams meant he was naturally going to get higher ice time. It shouldn't have been the highest, but when your #4 plays in all situations, he will get ice time.

 

[CobraAcesS]

People complain all the time that McLeod's contract is holding us back from paying XYZ. One tha gets overlooked in the complaining is Gelinas. I don't have an issue with giving him a shot but if we are seriously getting to the point of pinching pennies over contracts in this range then his 1.575 sticks out.

Gelinas's contract stuck out to me the minute we got him, and people were saying he wasn't any better defensively than the trash we currently had on the bottom of the depth chart.

Mitchell's contract was fair IMO, especially for how the team used him.

The difference between these guys and Grigorenko is that Greg actually has high end potential, none of these depth guys have much of a higher ceiling.

Maybe Gelinas does, but I'm extremely skeptical based on what he did in Jersey and the small sample size here. At least we did see Greg play at a top six level that was a net positive for the team and the players on his line.

 

[Avs_19]

Around $1.2M/yr sounds fine for him. He took some steps forward last season and I think he can give this team even more. Some of it will come from getting an opportunity to play with skilled players on a regular basis but he also has to battle every shift and be more consistent.

 

[henchman21]

Gelinas was one of those players that showed a lot of promise and got signed to one of these deals people are suggesting for Grigo. This was a guy who in his rookie season put up 29 points in 60 games and followed up with a solid sophomore season with 19 in 61 (and nearly matched the same goals). He wasn't perfect, but he was showing promise. In the 2014 offseason, very few Devils fans wanted to trade Gelinas.

 

[Avs_19]

The big difference is that Gelinas is only on a one year deal. He's also only 25 years old and I guess they see upside in him. He'll stick around if he proves them right this season but if not, he'll be off the books.

I think the McLeod and Holden deals are/were worse and they stick out because of the term. Both guys got three year deals and I don't see the upside.

 

[henchman21]

The big difference is that Gelinas is only on a one year deal. He's also only 25 years old and I guess they see upside in him. He'll stick around if he proves them right this season but if not, he'll be off the books.

I think the McLeod and Holden deals are/were worse and they stick out because of the term. Both guys got three year deals and I don't see the upside.

Gelinas' contract was 2 years, it just wasn't the Avs that negotiated the deal.

 

[Avs_19]

Gelinas' contract was 2 years, it just wasn't the Avs that negotiated the deal.

Sure but the first year is irrelevant to us. We only have him on the last year of his contract, which is why I don't have an issue with it.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I don't think we needed to make the deal at all but that's besides the point. Guess it depends how bad the cap crunch is going to get.

 

[henchman21]

I don't think we needed to make the deal at all but that's besides the point. Guess it depends how bad the cap crunch is going to get.

Gelinas was/is the Holden replacement (saved a bit of cap space and shaved a year in the process). The second part just didn't happen until the summer. If given the right coaching and pairing, Gelinas might prove to be a pretty useful player. If he can play regularly, he definitely will improve the power play.

I can't see the cap crunch even getting bad from this point on. Say Grigo and Barrie combine for 7.5m... the Avs are still under the cap with ~850k to fill the last roster spot. Some creative maneuvering and they could fit a ~$1m player for that final spot. That is about the best they can do at this point.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Gelinas was/is the Holden replacement (saved a bit of cap space and shaved a year in the process). The second part just didn't happen until the summer. If given the right coaching and pairing, Gelinas might prove to be a pretty useful player. If he can play regularly, he definitely will improve the power play.

I can't see the cap crunch even getting bad from this point on. Say Grigo and Barrie combine for 7.5m... the Avs are still under the cap with ~850k to fill the last roster spot. Some creative maneuvering and they could fit a ~$1m player for that final spot. That is about the best they can do at this point.

I see Tyutin as the Holden replacement. Both are UFA. Both are the better defenders of all these lesser guys. And at 2mil its probably more likely Tyutin is our #4 than sitting on the bench.

Then, imo, it's Gelinas replacing Redmond as a PP specialist/#7. Bonus that Gelinas is still a RFA.

Wiercioch replacing Gormley as the older project RFA who is being given another chance but could easily end up in SA.

And Stanton replacing Bodnarchuk as the defensive D UFA call up

 

[ABasin]

I think the bigger problem with Holden and Mitchell is in their usage, and not in their salaries. If Holden was used as a 6th dman, I think there'd be a lot more acceptance. Everyone seems to enjoy Mitchell in a 4th line role as well.

I think they are two very different cases. Mitchell has the skills of a legimate NHL hockey player. Holden does not.

 

[tucker3434]

I'd give him 8 years at $1.2. $1.2 is bad 4th liner money. If we can get him for 2 or more years at that cost, I'm more than happy with it.

 

[Avs_19]

Seems about right.

 

[tigervixxxen]

We need a new thread anyway, I'll make one. I know there was some hope he'd get a 2 year deal.

 

[falconski]

So how much space does that leave for Barrie?