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If Washington wanted a package around Stemps + Backlund, I'd consider it
What? No. Just... No!
If Washington wanted a package around Stemps + Backlund, I'd consider it
You know this how? We're talking about the Calgary Flames, a club that will likely finih 9-11th in the conference and miss out on a good pick. Or we'll trade away our first for a later 1st and a 2nd. OR our first rounder becomes a bust.Jesus Christ no, this draft we get Barkov/Mckinnon/Lindholm/Monahan that is a top 6 center in 2-3 years,
And what, Backlund is prodigy under contract for 10 years? Oh wait that's right he's a borderline bust who's expiring at the end of the season. If he does get an offer, it wouldn't be anymore than a 1 yr 1 million contract that could be his last NHL contractwhy in gods name do we trade a just becoming top 6 center in Backlund for a 32 year old UFA center?
:This makes literally no sense for a rebuild so we will probably do it.
I wanted Ribby here before, but then I saw howmuch diving/chirping he did in Dallas and was not impressed. He hasn't changed in Washington.
But man the guy has sick hands.
Are you insane? Or have you just not watched the team this season? I wouldn't really blame you if it's the latter, but then please don't say that we should trade two of our few bright spots for an UFA center on the wrong side of 30. And I actually like Ribeiro a lot.You know this how? We're talking about the Calgary Flames, a club that will likely finih 9-11th in the conference and miss out on a good pick. Or we'll trade away our first for a later 1st and a 2nd. OR our first rounder becomes a bust.
And what, Backlund is prodigy under contract for 10 years? Oh wait that's right he's a borderline bust who's expiring at the end of the season. If he does get an offer, it wouldn't be anymore than a 1 yr 1 million contract that could be his last NHL contract
Who would you rather feeding passes to Gaudrea, Baertschi, Arnold, etc: A borderline 4th liner in Backlund or a decade-proven top 6 centre?
Just because Riberio is 32 years old, doesn't mean he can't help our building assets adjust to the NHL by: (A) winning the puck for possession, (2) setting up the play, (3) provide leadership, (4) help create a winning culture by actually winning games.
I mean holy smokes, since when was Stempniak and Backlund untouchable pieces? I doubt the Capitals would even take it.
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Ugh, no. This is the type of thinking that killed our organization. Backlund is presently our ONLY young forward capable of playing in the top 9 and holding his own. He's also showing lots of upside. We're more than a Ribeiro away from the playoffs.
Are you insane? Or have you just not watched the team this season? I wouldn't really blame you if it's the latter, but then please don't say that we should trade two of our few bright spots for an UFA center on the wrong side of 30. And I actually like Ribeiro a lot.
Backlund a 4th liner bust? Won't be offered a contract? What?
Are we talking about Mikeal Backlund? The guy who only had to compete with Matt Stajan for the first line, but instead both lost the job to a winger?
The guy who has Cammy, Iginla, Glencross, Stempniak, Hudler, Tanguay, Baertschi, Cervenka as wingers - and to a lesser extent Comeau and Horak - yet still can't make that jump to the next step? Plus he was given the first line last year!
If you say so.
And you don't think Backlund is taking that step this season? He is playing miles better and is brimming with confidence. It's not his fault he broke his finger and did whatever it was this season to his leg.
You don't just trade a guy like Backlund when he's playing like he is now. That's a sure fire way to tell your current and future prospects that there's a timer on them the minute they make the NHL before we give up on them.
Patience is key, and the patience we've had with Backlund is starting to pay off.
And seriously, even if we do trade him, Ribeiro is not the guy who should be coming back in that deal.
You know this how? We're talking about the Calgary Flames, a club that will likely finih 9-11th in the conference and miss out on a good pick. Or we'll trade away our first for a later 1st and a 2nd. OR our first rounder becomes a bust.
And what, Backlund is prodigy under contract for 10 years? Oh wait that's right he's a borderline bust who's expiring at the end of the season. If he does get an offer, it wouldn't be anymore than a 1 yr 1 million contract that could be his last NHL contract
Who would you rather feeding passes to Gaudrea, Baertschi, Arnold, etc: A borderline 4th liner in Backlund or a decade-proven top 6 centre?
Just because Riberio is 32 years old, doesn't mean he can't help our building assets adjust to the NHL by: (A) winning the puck for possession, (2) setting up the play, (3) provide leadership, (4) help create a winning culture by actually winning games.
I mean holy smokes, since when was Stempniak and Backlund untouchable pieces? I doubt the Capitals would even take it.
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You're usually right on the mark, but man. You couldn't not be further from correct on Backlund. I will eat my hat if he signs for $1 Million or less, he is likely worth a 1.75m 2year deal. Hes been great so far this year, and he is an emerging #2C, with great 2-way play.
Ironically, I've always thought Ribeiro looked like Wendell from the Simpsons so we wouldn't even have to make a custom avatar for him.
I've made comments as to how I enjoy Backlund's confidence and play as of late. Hell I've liked the way a lot of players have looked under Hartely, such as Stajan. But I also look at Backlund as a player, in his what, his 4th season now?
Stempniak is a great example of a guy who can take over a game and get 3 points and make plays every time he's on the ice every night. I could watch 1 game and think "boy, this guy is a top line winger". But obviously that's not the case over a significant sample.
I've yet to see Backlund even perform an impact game once, let alone see a legit top 9 guy over time. He's a depth centremen who cant win the puck off the draw on his best nights, so where's a number 2 coming from?
You're writing off a 23 year old player because he can't single handily take over games? Are you actually reading what you're writing? It looks like your expectations are completely out of whack.
Backlund at this stage, is without question, a solid 3rd line centre. So far this season, he's shown strides that he can become that solid 2nd line centre that he was expected to be, when drafted. He's suffered a couple of freak injuries, sure, but that categorize him off of that is not only terribly premature, but incredibly stupid too.
Lastly, few if any young centres dominate in the circle early in their careers. Even your seemingly bench mark comparison for all prospects in Crosby struggled early on in the circle.
You know this how? We're talking about the Calgary Flames, a club that will likely finih 9-11th in the conference and miss out on a good pick. Or we'll trade away our first for a later 1st and a 2nd. OR our first rounder becomes a bust.
And what, Backlund is prodigy under contract for 10 years? Oh wait that's right he's a borderline bust who's expiring at the end of the season. If he does get an offer, it wouldn't be anymore than a 1 yr 1 million contract that could be his last NHL contract
Who would you rather feeding passes to Gaudrea, Baertschi, Arnold, etc: A borderline 4th liner in Backlund or a decade-proven top 6 centre?
Just because Riberio is 32 years old, doesn't mean he can't help our building assets adjust to the NHL by: (A) winning the puck for possession, (2) setting up the play, (3) provide leadership, (4) help create a winning culture by actually winning games.
I mean holy smokes, since when was Stempniak and Backlund untouchable pieces? I doubt the Capitals would even take it.
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Whoa Nelly. I'm not advocating we over pay for Riberio because yes, he's a UFA that can walk. I just think regardless where this team proceeds, we need a legit top 6 centremen between our wingers, whoever they are. I don't think Backlund is that. I don't like the idea of Stajan and Backlund facing Crosby, Toews, Kopitar, Spezza, Thorton, etc and so forth.Obviously it isn't 100% that we get one but almost everyone has them all spread out in the top 10 it is very plausible that we get 1 of them.
Border line bust? He is starting to break out this season and your writing him off.
Lets see Gaudrea is 2-3 years away so I would much rather go with the 25 year old backlund over the 35 year old Ribiero not to mention he is a UFA and can walk so we get neither.
We have Cammy,Tangs,Iggy,Jbo,Gio,Hudler,Wideman who can all provide leadership that is literally the last thing we need. A winning culture? You make it sound like we can't win a game, over the last 3 years we are 118-90-38 we aren't a dead last team we are just average.
I doubt they take it too they would want a 1st + that doesn't mean we would take it either. I never said either are untouchable but we are already the oldest team in the league and instead of allowing one of our few young players to grow you want to ship him out for a stopgap so we can fit for 8th place. If you can't see why this a bad move for the Flames then you must be part of the ownership group. We need to start developing our own players that can help us now and in the future Backlund and Brodie are literally the only players that can do that right now and you want to trade one of them for 30 games of Riberio.
Whoa Nelly. I'm not advocating we over pay for Riberio because yes, he's a UFA that can walk. I just think regardless where this team proceeds, we need a legit top 6 centremen between our wingers, whoever they are. I don't think Backlund is that. I don't like the idea of Stajan and Backlund facing Crosby, Toews, Kopitar, Spezza, Thorton, etc and so forth.
I think this club has proven to me know matter what coach, no matter what talent, if you don't have a legit #1/2 center, you'll never be more than average at best
You know this how? We're talking about the Calgary Flames, a club that will likely finih 9-11th in the conference and miss out on a good pick. Or we'll trade away our first for a later 1st and a 2nd. OR our first rounder becomes a bust.
And what, Backlund is prodigy under contract for 10 years? Oh wait that's right he's a borderline bust who's expiring at the end of the season. If he does get an offer, it wouldn't be anymore than a 1 yr 1 million contract that could be his last NHL contract
Who would you rather feeding passes to Gaudrea, Baertschi, Arnold, etc: A borderline 4th liner in Backlund or a decade-proven top 6 centre?
Just because Riberio is 32 years old, doesn't mean he can't help our building assets adjust to the NHL by: (A) winning the puck for possession, (2) setting up the play, (3) provide leadership, (4) help create a winning culture by actually winning games.
I mean holy smokes, since when was Stempniak and Backlund untouchable pieces? I doubt the Capitals would even take it.
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So offer him a 10 year deal? Or lose him to free agency in a short time if he ever pans out? No I'm serious, put your GM hat on and make a call as to what you would do with the ever growing question mark that is Backlund?
I'll agree Backlund is making strides, but I still don't believe he'll be a number 1. Maybe, just maybe he'll be a top 9. But do you bank on that?
Are we talking about Mikeal Backlund? The guy who only had to compete with Matt Stajan for the first line, but instead both lost the job to a winger?
The guy who has Cammy, Iginla, Glencross, Stempniak, Hudler, Tanguay, Baertschi, Cervenka as wingers - and to a lesser extent Comeau and Horak - yet still can't make that jump to the next step? Plus he was given the first line last year!
If you say so.
I think the major issue is that ribierio won't help the team make the playoffs this season, so why send assets to acquire him in a trade when he could be signed as a free agent in July?
You haven't answered that question.
If anythinf we should acquire Richards, I hear he isn't doing too well on nyr.