Mika Zibanejad, Part II : "Zibby Ki-Yay" Die Hard Theme Edition

[BonkTastic]

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[BK201]

Such a boss.

 

[HavlatMach9]

he's got a beauty shot

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[Back in Black]

I still can't pronounce his name, but I like him....

 

[Alfieghetti]

might be the best ever

 

[Karl Eriksson]

He's my wife's favorite sen because "every time I walk by the TV they are saying good things about him"

If I could only bring one thing to a desert island it would be a good knife. If I could only bring two things it would be a knife and a picture of zibby.

 

[Back in Black]

If I could only bring one thing to a desert island it would be a good knife.

I want twin barbies on that island.... Oh what the heck, triplets....

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Number 1 C.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Number 1 C.

calm down.

 

[WhiteLight*]

calm down.

lighten up

 

[DylanSensFan]

he's got a beauty shot

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I didn't realize he was swiss...

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Its "....ki-yay" for the record.

 

[LaGu]

or as Tim Murray said last week on Buffalo radio, Corsi is for people that don't understand the game.

(Maybe I am the one missing the joke here but...)
That comment was either a joke or with some serious context attached to it.

Jim Corsi is a part of Buffalo's coaching staff and I doubt Murray would throw the system he partly invented and gave his name to under the bus like that. That would be quite rude.

 

[EssendonBombers]

Jim Corsi is a part of Buffalo's coaching staff and I doubt Murray would throw the system he partly invented and gave his name to under the bus like that. That would be quite rude.

To contextualise it a bit further: he basically said that Corsi has its uses and is somewhat helpful to understanding puck possession but is too often held up as the be all-end all by people who don't truly understand what "hockey sense" is.

To me it came off as a bit elitist because he didn't bother to explain what he understood as "hockey sense" and it seems to me like one of those clichéd and hazily defined buzzwords that advanced stat advocates can't stand.

 

[BonkTastic]

To me it came off as a bit elitist because he didn't bother to explain what he understood as "hockey sense" and it seems to me like one of those clichéd and hazily defined buzzwords that advanced stat advocates can't stand.

Ah, there's the Tim we all know.

 

[BonkTastic]

Its "....ki-yay" for the record.

In my defence, I've never watched Die Hard with the subtitles on, so it's an easy mistake to make.

 

[maclean]

time to broaden your horizons dude

 

[LaGu]

To contextualise it a bit further: he basically said that Corsi has its uses and is somewhat helpful to understanding puck possession but is too often held up as the be all-end all by people who don't truly understand what "hockey sense" is.

To me it came off as a bit elitist because he didn't bother to explain what he understood as "hockey sense" and it seems to me like one of those clichéd and hazily defined buzzwords that advanced stat advocates can't stand.

That makes much more sense, although I still think it is border-line rude against what is basically the legacy of good ol'Jim Corsi.

edit: sorry for going off topic.

 

[YNWA14]

I think most people understand that Corsi is a complementary statistic to aid in evaluation not replace it.

 

[StefanW]

I think most people understand that Corsi is a complementary statistic to aid in evaluation not replace it.

Depends on which people you are talking about. Although everyone who uses corsi and other types of stats knows and understand their limits to some degree, whenever someone says "this is the best indicator" or "this is the best...(whatever)" it is easy to get the impression that they believe anyone who looks at other factors first, or sees other factors as being more important, is getting it wrong. Although TM is gruff, he is 100% correct in what he said.

 

[starling]

Tim was obviously downplaying it a bit.
Corsi is great as long as the players are not playing for it. If they start taking shots whenever possible for the sake of taking a shot, they will end up with bunch of low scoring chances, improved corsi and no goals to show for it.

 

[YNWA14]

Depends on which people you are talking about. Although everyone who uses corsi and other types of stats knows and understand their limits to some degree, whenever someone says "this is the best indicator" or "this is the best...(whatever)" it is easy to get the impression that they believe anyone who looks at other factors first, or sees other factors as being more important, is getting it wrong. Although TM is gruff, he is 100% correct in what he said.

I agree. Like I said it's a good complementary statistic you can look at that gives you a bit of insight into a player's body of work, but definitely doesn't give you the whole picture.

I definitely wouldn't look down on someone who doesn't look at Corsi at all though and just judges players based on watching them play and their success relative to their team/opponents. Hockey is a very complex sport and not one that can be measured just by numbers (right now) like Baseball.

 

[Micklebot]

In my defence, I've never watched Die Hard with the subtitles on, so it's an easy mistake to make.

then you have never truly experienced the series as it was meant to be. I feel bad for you...

I'll be canvasing the office for donations to send a region code 3 version of the dvd out there to you.

 

[LuckyPierre]

he's got a beauty shot

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Everything about that move screams Mike Fisher to me.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

That makes much more sense, although I still think it is border-line rude against what is basically the legacy of good ol'Jim Corsi.

edit: sorry for going off topic.

You can listen to the interview here

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-New-GM-Tim-Murray-Joins-WGR/18150550

Tim first mentions Corsi around 21:30, then is asked about Corsi and other analytics around 22:40.

He clearly says he doesn't want to talk down, but...