Series Talk: MDSF: (3) Penguins vs. (2) Islanders - Part II
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WayneSid9987
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Just to expand on this with a doable G4 lineup:
McCann-Sid-Jake/Rust
Jake/Rust-G-Phil
Simon-Bjugs-Horny
Blueger-Cullen-Wilson
And obviously Olli checking back in for JJ.
If they wanna get a little nutty. Stack it right the **** up:
Geno/McCann-Sid-Phil/Jake
Geno/McCann-Bjugs-Phil/Jake
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HuskerTornado
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True. All season, whenever I would do the whole exercise of 'mix your own best 12F/6D lineup', after 30 seconds I'd almost always end with this expression
and a closure of tab/spreadsheet.
And the fact that Shero admitted he only picked the first rounders, and left the remainder to the scouting staff. So based on that, he wasn't a good at drafting.
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Late to the party.
While I'm sure the Penguins are getting savaged and there's talk of their window closing without a retool (the latter, I'd agree with), let me just switch gears and say that the Islanders have the look of a team that can win the Stanley Cup. They're giving me acid flashbacks to the Lamoriello Devils at their best.
While I'm sure the Penguins are getting savaged and there's talk of their window closing without a retool (the latter, I'd agree with), let me just switch gears and say that the Islanders have the look of a team that can win the Stanley Cup. They're giving me acid flashbacks to the Lamoriello Devils at their best.
WayneSid9987
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I wouldn't go that far.
All the other teams can tilt ice much more than us and get between the dots with way more regularity.
Isles will have a tough road vs anyone left.
Can they make an OTT '17 type run? Sure but that OTT team the likes of EK and Stone.
The Kuhnackl's, Komarov's, Filppula's will be shut down past us and things won't be as easy for the Eberle's, Bailey's, Barzal's, Nelson's, Lee's.
They'll have to play perfect in Round 2 to get to the Conf. Final and they'll lose that if they get that far.
Honour Over Glory
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The part that bothers me and angers me the most is that this team is a tinker in the line-up away from being woken up.
There's literally no one to blame but themselves.
There's literally no one to blame but themselves.
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I'm expecting the penguins to open up and and unleash a highly effective game against the isles. Closing out a series is always difficult and I am hoping the Isles loosen up their game, but possibly having Trots experience he may talk up a highly effective strategum knowing quite exact how to do the penguins in.
If the time was ever, it is tonight, the penguins need to fire on all cylinders and knock the wall down.
Bring down the wall boys!
If the time was ever, it is tonight, the penguins need to fire on all cylinders and knock the wall down.
Bring down the wall boys!
Just get this shit over with. Hopefully this offseason brings more than JJ!
JR you got lots of work to do my friend
JR you got lots of work to do my friend
YouGotAStuGoing
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Maybe it's the overt optimist in me, but I just don't see a sweep. The disparity in talent between these two teams isn't that slanted. But the give-a-damn meter needs 20-30% added on.
WayneSid9987
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I dunno...
The way the Isles play vs what Sully will probably dress and the tendency to NOT trap for this group will play right into their hands.
Like i said, if you want to rally 4 straight on these Isles, again, with the roster Sully likely dresses, you bring it back and don't send 3 F's deep all night long. You do your damndest to rule the NZ and 5 guys packing it in to give em nothing on the inside. Basically play Trotz's style back at him.
I suspect they'll(the group) do just that tho(press 3 deep/loose NZ play still) and it'll be just more of the same as we've seen these first 3 games. Perhaps theres a slim chance the group of 5's on the ice will have the uptick in energy needed being in the spot they're in to rally off a win or 2 but to get 4 in a row against this particular opponent requires a strategy change.
The way the Isles play vs what Sully will probably dress and the tendency to NOT trap for this group will play right into their hands.
Like i said, if you want to rally 4 straight on these Isles, again, with the roster Sully likely dresses, you bring it back and don't send 3 F's deep all night long. You do your damndest to rule the NZ and 5 guys packing it in to give em nothing on the inside. Basically play Trotz's style back at him.
I suspect they'll(the group) do just that tho(press 3 deep/loose NZ play still) and it'll be just more of the same as we've seen these first 3 games. Perhaps theres a slim chance the group of 5's on the ice will have the uptick in energy needed being in the spot they're in to rally off a win or 2 but to get 4 in a row against this particular opponent requires a strategy change.
while Mario was fine playing a trap. I don't see Sid+Geno really being on board with that. I mean let's be real here. We have seen our two headed monster their entire career they go through periods where they play exactly opposite what the coach is telling them to do. Eventually said coach is fired, new coach comes in and they get on board with the new plan, repeat.
It's not like Sully tells geno, "You know what we need right now geno? You need to go just stick someone until you get in the penalty box so we can go on the PK". Or tells Sid. "Sid I love those passes you send behind you to an islander that lets them leave the zone with speed, we need more of those."
Our generational HOF centers are not really playing "the right way" how the heck do you expect the rest of the team to fall in line. I feel like the players we have are good enough. We have the players to play fast penguins hockey. But some how we are not. Could we get a bit younger/faster? Sure that's always good. But we the players to do this NOW. Put in Johnson and Blueger, those 2 with the florida boys are not exactly slow. Kessel is pretty fast still. the only real plodders on offense are Zar, Cullen (because he is older then dirt), and wilson.
This is all in my head coming down to lineup decisions (coach), and tactics (coach). We should, as others have said, become a counterpunch team. We don't need a bunch of shots from outside the dots. We just need the right chances.
But once again this is all on effort and belief in the plan. We absolutely hate to dump the puck behind their D, we tried to do so a little more. But we have to do that consistently when nothing else presents itself. But it takes a lot of effort and will to win those board battles and get on the forecheck in time.
right now, I have no idea what to expect tonight. if we won 5-1 i would not be surprised, if we lost 0-5 I wouldn't be surprised either.
It's not like Sully tells geno, "You know what we need right now geno? You need to go just stick someone until you get in the penalty box so we can go on the PK". Or tells Sid. "Sid I love those passes you send behind you to an islander that lets them leave the zone with speed, we need more of those."
Our generational HOF centers are not really playing "the right way" how the heck do you expect the rest of the team to fall in line. I feel like the players we have are good enough. We have the players to play fast penguins hockey. But some how we are not. Could we get a bit younger/faster? Sure that's always good. But we the players to do this NOW. Put in Johnson and Blueger, those 2 with the florida boys are not exactly slow. Kessel is pretty fast still. the only real plodders on offense are Zar, Cullen (because he is older then dirt), and wilson.
This is all in my head coming down to lineup decisions (coach), and tactics (coach). We should, as others have said, become a counterpunch team. We don't need a bunch of shots from outside the dots. We just need the right chances.
But once again this is all on effort and belief in the plan. We absolutely hate to dump the puck behind their D, we tried to do so a little more. But we have to do that consistently when nothing else presents itself. But it takes a lot of effort and will to win those board battles and get on the forecheck in time.
right now, I have no idea what to expect tonight. if we won 5-1 i would not be surprised, if we lost 0-5 I wouldn't be surprised either.
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A little bit of what we’ve all been saying...I know people hate this guy but he’s not wrong...
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - The writing has been on the wall and nobody wanted to read it
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - The writing has been on the wall and nobody wanted to read it
ncm7772
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I absolutely despise ZAR. He is literally good at nothing. And it's not his fault he got cheapshotted by Tom Wilson, but due to that, JR became obsessed with "toughness." So indirectly, he's partially at fault for the roster issues. I'm reaching, yes. But that's how much I dislike ZAR.
I'm with you I can't disagree with anything he is saying per se. I do think on the whole JR hasn't been quite as bad as he alludes. I mean he even points out the roster that should be on the ice and it's pretty much the thing we've ALL been clamoring for, sit wilson + zar and put in Blueger and A. Johnson. Only variance might be Olli vs JJ.
Still I keep coming back to it. If the tools are in the tool box but the coach decides to use a screw driver to drive a nail instead of the hammer, is that not on the coach more so then the GM ?
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They aren't 0-3 because of their 4th line wingers.
Sully deserves some blame as well, but it's JRs fault that he gave him this defense.
With the exception of JJ still being in there and AJ not in there for ZAR or Wilson, it's as good as we could expect...
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When the JJ alternative is Maatta, I'm fine with him staying in. If Riiko were an option I'd use him. It'd be nice to see Bluegs over that lump ZAR, but whatever. Like you say, it's about the best we can hope for.
Empoleon8771
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I really wish people would just realize that there isn't a good way to construct the forward group as it's currently built, due to numerous underachievers and a bad roster makeup. Whether you play Wilson vs Johnson or ZAR vs Blueger or Johnson vs Maatta isn't going to make a difference, because none of those guys are going fix the real reason why this team is about to lose in the playoffs. It's trying to rearrange chairs on the Titanic, whether you have the old crappy chairs or the fancy new chairs doesn't matter when your boat is sinking.
Unless the Penguins have a top pair puck moving LD and a top-6 winger laying around somewhere, they're dead in the water. Playing a guy you like in place of a guy you don't like isn't going to make a difference, because both the guy you like and the guy you don't like aren't good.
Unless the Penguins have a top pair puck moving LD and a top-6 winger laying around somewhere, they're dead in the water. Playing a guy you like in place of a guy you don't like isn't going to make a difference, because both the guy you like and the guy you don't like aren't good.
I'd still prefer Maatta over JJ. Unfortunately we only got a 1 game sample size to see how we could play without JJ. Schultz was much better paired with Maatta, played to our teams strengths. And I don't think it's any coincidence we looked much more dangerous offensively in game 1 than games 2-3.
Gurglesons
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Maatta actually got the puck out of our zone and maintained possession in the Isles in Game 1.
The fact people are choosing JJ over him is HILARIOUS after JJ’s awful, awful, awful last two games.
Empoleon8771
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I almost feel like this is Sullivan projecting his own feelings and him giving a hint that Guentzel's going to be viewed as the top unit net front presence going forward.
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