McKenzie's rankings aka polling 10 scouts: Top 15 pre-lottery edition

[TCNorthstars]

It's possible, however Quinn is already a late birthday--he turns 19 in October.

Of course who knows hold old that 5'10" measurement was?

From the looks of him, 5'10" seems to be in the future....maybe!

 

[Morgs]

On the bright side, I like that all of Smith, Kravtsov, and Denisenko are out of the top-10.

No chance they drop to us, but all guys I'd be willing to move up 10~ spots for.

 

[57special]

From the looks of him, 5'10" seems to be in the future....maybe!

Yeah, he looks tiny, but he has been playing, and excelling, in a league a tier higher than CHL.

 

[tfong]

Based on the article and the list the two of them are tied meaning neither is "ahead" of the other, I'm a bit disappointed in this board seeing people comment on this without anyone pointing this simple fact out.

Maybe I meant "a head" as in placed ahead in terms of article arrangement

Haha but seriously I'm actually wondering how they are even tied for the same spot, felt Kravstov's KHL playoffs would've given him the edge over Denny.

 

[boredmale]

 

[boredmale]

Just listening to McKenzie's podcast sounds like he said top 12 are:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-season-2-episode-20-1.1112948

Rasmus Dahlin
Andrei Svechnikov

Filip Zadina
Brady Tkachuk
Quinn Hughes
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Noah Dobson
Evan Bouchard
Oliver Wahlstrom
Adam Boqvist
Barrett Hayton
Vitali Kravtsov

(Note I am not saying that is the order he will have them listed just an educated guess beyond the first 2)

He said all these guys got consideration for the top 5.

 

[KMNRB]

Just listening to McKenzie's podcast sounds like he said top 12 are:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-season-2-episode-20-1.1112948

Rasmus Dahlin
Andrei Svechnikov

Filip Zadina
Brady Tkachuk
Quinn Hughes
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Noah Dobson
Evan Bouchard
Oliver Wahlstrom
Adam Boqvist
Barrett Hayton
Vitali Kravtsov

(Note I am not saying that is the order he will have them listed just an educated guess beyond the first 2)

He said all these guys got consideration for the top 5.

I think he did say Dobson is the consensus top D beside Dahlin.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Just listening to McKenzie's podcast sounds like he said top 12 are:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-season-2-episode-20-1.1112948

Rasmus Dahlin
Andrei Svechnikov

Filip Zadina
Brady Tkachuk
Quinn Hughes
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Noah Dobson
Evan Bouchard
Oliver Wahlstrom
Adam Boqvist
Barrett Hayton
Vitali Kravtsov

(Note I am not saying that is the order he will have them listed just an educated guess beyond the first 2)

He said all these guys got consideration for the top 5.

He said that Dobson was the consensus top defenceman after Dahlin in his podcast

 

[G0bias]

After listening, my guess his final list

Dahlin
Svech
Tkachuk
Zadina
Kotkaniemi
Dobson
Bouchard
Hughes
Wahlstrom
Kravtsov
Boqvist
Hayton
Smith

With the possibility of Kotkaniemi/Dobson bumping down Tkachuk/Zadina at the draft.

 

[Sweetpotato]

If Hughes drops to EDM I will lose my marbles.

 

[FlyTimmo]

On the bright side, I like that all of Smith, Kravtsov, and Denisenko are out of the top-10.

No chance they drop to us, but all guys I'd be willing to move up 10~ spots for.

There will be someone good that drops to 25. Should be plenty of quality defenseman available that's for sure.

 

[FlyTimmo]

If Hughes drops to EDM I will lose my marbles.

Hard to think of a better fit.

 

[lawrence]

WOw is ty smith that not as good ? Dudes scouting report Is so similar to the other 2 sub 6’0 ft dmans. (Boqvist, Hughes)

 

[boredmale]

After listening, my guess his final list

Smith

Did he even mention Smith?

On a side note he mentioned the ranking of Merkley by all the scouts, I think it was something like 16, 25, 26, 31, 31, 31, 33, 38, 55, 60.

He mentioned that most the people who rated him in the first round weren't sure they would pick him where they rate him, they rated him solely based on skill. My guess is he ends up like 40 on TSN's list

 

[G0bias]

Did he even mention Smith?

Just my impression based on the other names he mentioned scouts are apparently hyping, ie. Kravtsov, Hayton.

 

[boredmale]

Just my impression based on the other names scouts are apparently hyping, ie. Kravtsov, Hayton.

If you look at his previous list(At the draft Lottery) Smith was 13th behind Veleno(11) and Hayton(12). I am guessing Veleno might be 13. Kravtsov is the one who snuck into the top 12

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Just listening to McKenzie's podcast sounds like he said top 12 are:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/the-tsn-hockey-bobcast-season-2-episode-20-1.1112948

Rasmus Dahlin
Andrei Svechnikov

Filip Zadina
Brady Tkachuk
Quinn Hughes
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Noah Dobson
Evan Bouchard
Oliver Wahlstrom
Adam Boqvist
Barrett Hayton
Vitali Kravtsov

(Note I am not saying that is the order he will have them listed just an educated guess beyond the first 2)

He said all these guys got consideration for the top 5.

No, he (they) didnt have Dahlin and Svech as 1-2, he clearly said that its:

Dahlin





Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk

Dobson, Boqvist, Hughes and Boucard

 

[boredmale]

No, he (they) didnt have Dahlin and Svech as 1-2, he clearly said that its:

Dahlin





Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk

Dobson, Boqvist, Hughes and Boucard

That was the Draft Lottery list, the podcast that just came out yesterday is talking about his list coming out on Monday. He said their seems to be separation between Svechnikov and the other 2, while Zadina and Tkachuk are much closer to other players then they are to Svechnikov and he would be surprised seeing either of them slip to 6 or 7

 

[bert]

WOw is ty smith that not as good ? Dudes scouting report Is so similar to the other 2 sub 6’0 ft dmans. (Boqvist, Hughes)

After watching him I dont think he is on the same level. The other two are much more dynamic offensively.

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Dahlin



Svech


Zadina, Tkachuk
Kotkaniemi, Dobson
Hughes, Bouchard, Wahlstrom
Boqvist, Kravtsov
Hayton

From what I understood

 

[93LEAFS]

I think this ranking is pretty Canadian heavy, after the top four, 7 of 11 kids are Canadians... Recon most of those scouts are NA based, which isn’t strange. Always an interesting read.

8 of the 10 are NHL Scouting Directors or high-enough up to dictate their teams draft board.

I would think that would remove some viewership bias towards NA players, as they are constantly cross-checking and will have serious input from their Euro scouts. Unless, you believe NHL teams have this issue. Although, the only head scout in the NHL who isn't NA based is Ville Siren. 72% of NHLers are from Canada or the United States, and the only case of a high-profile player from either playing in Europe is Matthews. Then add in that a decent amount of Euro's play in the CHL or USHL in their draft year. You could probably guess about 75% or more of future NHL talent is in NA. Just look at the current top 4 euros (Svechnikov, Zadina, Kotaniemi and Boqvist) in this draft and 2 of the 4 already play in NA. It wouldn't make much sense for a head scout to be Euro based. As one, going over and travelling to major euro locations (outside of Europe which is a nightmare and some teams right off), is quite easy when you get there, as you are primarily just scouting the 2 Nordic leagues, but short trips to Switzerland and Czech Republic are quite easy once you are across. Trying to cover the ground between Halifax and Vancouver is a way bigger geographical distance.

 

[Doublechin]

Dahlin



Svech


Zadina, Tkachuk, Kotkaniemi, Dobson
Hughes, Bouchard, Wahlstrom
Boqvist
Hayton, Kravtsov

From what I understood

That's more like it IMO

If I had to guess a top top it would be

1.Dahlin
2.Svech
3.Zadina
4.Tkachuk
5.Dobson
6.Kotkaniemi
7.Bouchard
8.Hughes
9.Wahlstrom
10.Boqvist

 

[Synergy27]

That's more like it IMO

If I had to guess a top top it would be

1.Dahlin
2.Svech
3.Zadina
4.Tkachuk
5.Dobson
6.Kotkaniemi
7.Bouchard
8.Hughes
9.Wahlstrom
10.Boqvist

Seeing Hughes go one pick ahead of the Rangers pick would be tough and reminiscent of last year with Glass, but I think most Ranger fans would sign up for this if asked right now.

 

[Doublechin]

Seeing Hughes go one pick ahead of the Rangers pick would be tough and reminiscent of last year with Glass, but I think most Ranger fans would sign up for this if asked right now.

I understand I have him 4th on my own list after Dobson at 3.

 

[DJB]

I think he did say Dobson is the consensus top D beside Dahlin.

About time Dobson was given that distinction. Been clear as day to me for a while