GDT: May the Fourth Be With Us Game|CBJ vs Bruins|5-4-19|7:00 p.m.

[EspenK]

Putting this up early to ensure I get to use the title. . Also give plenty of time for it to be stickied.

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[Johansen2Foligno]

What is the team's record when you make the GDT?

 

[Columbus Mike]

Undefeated all time on May 4th.

 

[We Want Ten]

Pre-gaming early I see.

I like it.

 

[Madifer]

 

[MoeBartoli]

I'm hoping Torts will use at least 3 & 3/4 lines in Game 5 so we don't look gassed in the 3rd. Hopefully Nash is back and sitting Wennberg. I'd also insert Sedlak for Tex to allow a line made up of Dzingel-Sedlak-Andy.

Before someone claims I'm trying to over-react to one loss, that's really not true. I'm simply replacing a couple of guys who didn't play and developing a line Torts can play. While I don't know that 19-45-77 will have great chemistry, I do know that Dzingel and Andy score on breakaways so aren't dependent on the tic tac toe game. And Sedlak and Andy would provide physical enough defensive presence to give Torts confidence to roll a 4th line. At worst 19 and 45 sit just like Wennberg, Tex and Dzingel sit.

Defensively Jones can't play 30+ minutes nor can Z go 26+. We have a team that demonstrates it can beat Boston if we play our game, a part of which includes a better spread of minutes. I want to see us in another round of playoffs!!!!

 

[Monk]

Putting this up early to ensure I get to use the title. . Also give plenty of time for it to be stickied.

Well done sir.

 

[EspenK]

What is the team's record when you make the GDT?

Better than when I don't. 4-1 in the playoffs. Too lazy to figure out the last part of the season but a quick glance says it was pretty good.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Undefeated all time on May 4th.

"It's a trap!!" Game

 

[JacketsDavid]

Three game series. Need our best effort on Saturday.

 

[EDM]

I agree that the first step in getting ready for Saturday nite is for Torts to make some significant adjustments in approach to the game.

 

[majormajor]

I'm hoping Torts will use at least 3 & 3/4 lines in Game 5 so we don't look gassed in the 3rd. Hopefully Nash is back and sitting Wennberg. I'd also insert Sedlak for Tex to allow a line made up of Dzingel-Sedlak-Andy.

I'll sign up for that.

I don't know why we haven't seen Sedlak yet.

 

[BluejacketNut]

A bit worried on this one, Bostons 1st line probably has some confidence now. Its a Saturday night game and they're going to be putting up Duby's comments every time they want to amp up the crowd

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Deciding game here. At least for us. Hopefully Nash and Nuti can play.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

There needs to be a 4th line playing decent minutes. Panarin and Cam can't be effective in the final minutes when they are game after game having to play so much. Panarin seems like he's pacing himself throughout the game.

It's a shame there wasn't an effort to get Sedlak a few games before the end of the season. Or a conditioning stint to the AHL.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I must have been watching a different Sedlak the last two years than other people.

 

[thebus88]

I must have been watching a different Sedlak the last two years than other people.

A different team, most of the the last few years. Or, do I not "get" you?

Some people claim certain young players get better over time. Explain why Sedlak can't be 1 of those players. He's essentially entering his "prime", right now.

He has legit scoring ability around the net, and yes, his game would fit better against Boston than any other guy thats on the bubble/not getting a regular shift. Look at the goal numbers from the 15/16 LE Monsters regular season, and look at the Calder Cup run numbers.

Lake Erie Monsters 2015-16 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

 

[thebus88]

Deciding game here. At least for us.

Some people just don't get it. Eh...??

 

[CBJWerenski8]

A different team, most of the the last few years. Or, do I not "get" you?

Some people claim certain young players get better over time. Explain why Sedlak can't be 1 of those players. He's essentially entering his "prime", right now.

He has legit scoring ability around the net, and yes, his game would fit better against Boston than any other guy thats on the bubble/not getting a regular shift. Look at the goal numbers from the 15/16 LE Monsters regular season, and look at the Calder Cup run numbers.

Lake Erie Monsters 2015-16 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

A lot of what I've said about the team the past few years has been accurate, such as them being a bubble team. Granted, I was wrong about them missing, but it was by razor thin margins both times. Regardless, it's not debatable that this team was a bubble team, because it only got in two years now via tiebreakers. But that's neither here nor there.

Sedlak has zero offensive game. Yeah, he had an impressive run in that calder cup team, 3 years ago, for the minor leagues, and it saved his job (he wouldn't have gotten another contract from us if he didn't get hot towards the end of the regular season + the whole playoffs). Now, he won't get another contract from us this summer because he's been nothing since his rookie season. He would be able to withstand the physical game Boston brings, which is something Dzingel, Wennberg, and Texier can't, but that would be trying to play their game rather than ours and I am not sure that's the right call either.

We make a big deal out of Torts not trusting Dzingel, Wennberg, Texier, Clendening, and others but he hasn't had Sedlak in the lineup since March 19th and played less than 10 minutes in that REGULAR SEASON game. In fact, he's only eclipsed over 10 minutes 15 times in the 47 games he's played this year. Lukas Sedlak isn't bringing anything more useful to the table Wennberg, Dzingel, Texier, and even Hannikainen can't bring other than physical play and maybe slightly more faceoffs. If Torts can't trust 25 goal scoring Dzingel, defensive specialist Wennberg, and young hot prospect Texier with more than 10 minutes of ice time, how is he going to trust nothing Sedlak with over 10 minutes?

If we're going to throw out black aces I'd rather see Hannikainen or Robinson in over Sedlak.

 

[majormajor]

A different team, most of the the last few years. Or, do I not "get" you?

Some people claim certain young players get better over time. Explain why Sedlak can't be 1 of those players. He's essentially entering his "prime", right now.

I really doubt Sedlak is getting any better at this point. Prime age usually begins in the early 20s.

My case for Sedlak is that he plays a good consistent heavy game. I'm not even hoping for growth. I like him the way he is more than the soft guys who only play 5 minutes a night in the playoffs.

 

[majormajor]

A lot of what I've said about the team the past few years has been accurate, such as them being a bubble team. Granted, I was wrong about them missing, but it was by razor thin margins both times. Regardless, it's not debatable that this team was a bubble team, because it only got in two years now via tiebreakers. But that's neither here nor there.

The Jackets also finished just a few points back of 6th in the whole league. There were a lot of teams grouped up there.

What's more relevant to your predictive abilities, is that you gave the Jackets a less than 1 in 1000 chance of winning a single playoff game against Tampa. I like a lot of your posts, but why should anyone lend credence to your predictions on the Jackets chances of winning?

He would be able to withstand the physical game Boston brings, which is something Dzingel, Wennberg, and Texier can't, but that would be trying to play their game rather than ours and I am not sure that's the right call either.

You keep saying "play our game" but I don't see how this series is going to be anything but a slog.

If we're going to throw out black aces I'd rather see Hannikainen or Robinson in over Sedlak.

Great point, why not Hannikainen? Dude is a beast on the forecheck. Currently though we have an issue where the centers are grouped up on other lines and we'd have to break those lines up if one of them was to take Wennberg's spot. It's that or insert a center, Sedlak.

I'd be curious to see how Robinson would do, I tend to think he's not nearly as strong as others think he is. He can fly in open space but we've seen how little of that there is.

 

[majormajor]

We make a big deal out of Torts not trusting Dzingel, Wennberg, Texier, Clendening, and others but he hasn't had Sedlak in the lineup since March 19th and played less than 10 minutes in that REGULAR SEASON game. In fact, he's only eclipsed over 10 minutes 15 times in the 47 games he's played this year. Lukas Sedlak isn't bringing anything more useful to the table Wennberg, Dzingel, Texier, and even Hannikainen can't bring other than physical play and maybe slightly more faceoffs. If Torts can't trust 25 goal scoring Dzingel, defensive specialist Wennberg, and young hot prospect Texier with more than 10 minutes of ice time, how is he going to trust nothing Sedlak with over 10 minutes?

I'm not sure how it would go, but Nash and Dubinsky were barely playing at times in the regular season and have worked their way up to a lot more minutes, because they've improved and their play styles are suited to the moment (like I think Sedlak's would be).

 

[thebus88]

A lot of what I've said about the team the past few years has been accurate, such as them being a bubble team. Granted, I was wrong about them missing, but it was by razor thin margins both times. Regardless, it's not debatable that this team was a bubble team, because it only got in two years now via tiebreakers. But that's neither here nor there.

What's debatable is the term, "bubble team", with how the standing end up and parity in the NHL.

Not to mention where the 108 point season in 16/17 fits in the definition of "bubble team".

Sedlak has zero offensive game. Yeah, he had an impressive run in that calder cup team, 3 years ago, for the minor leagues, and it saved his job (he wouldn't have gotten another contract from us if he didn't get hot towards the end of the regular season + the whole playoffs). Now, he won't get another contract from us this summer because he's been nothing since his rookie season.

Care to explain why you want minimize his numbers ("zero" offensive game) in those AHL playoffs (in relation to the other young current CBJ players) and where you get your "inside info" on his contract offers you seem to be privy to?

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He would be able to withstand the physical game Boston brings, which is something Dzingel, Wennberg, and Texier can't, but that would be trying to play their game rather than ours and I am not sure that's the right call either.
Lukas Sedlak isn't bringing anything more useful to the table Wennberg, Dzingel, Texier, and even Hannikainen can't bring other than physical play and maybe slightly more faceoffs.

This, "trying to play their game, rather than ours", is complete nonsense. He brings a physical element along with a scoring touch around the net that none of those guys bring. He can be decent enough on faceoffs and in a defensive situation to be trusted more than them also. He's legitimately probably the fastest skater out of them also. If this group of guys is going to play together, Dzingel/Texier are going to need to work a lot harder to get their offense to shine through.

25 goal scoring Dzingel, defensive specialist Wennberg, and young hot prospect Texier nothing Sedlak

If we're going to throw out black aces I'd rather see Hannikainen or Robinson in over Sedlak.

get away from the "buzzwords" and monikers.

Robinson, maybe, however I think he's moreseo a hybrid of Texier and Dzingel, but less skilled.

 

[ViD]

Deciding game here. At least for us. Hopefully Nash and Nuti can play.

I don’t agree, we can win in 7 even if we lose game 5

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The Jackets also finished just a few points back of 6th in the whole league. There were a lot of teams grouped up there.

What's more relevant to your predictive abilities, is that you gave the Jackets a less than 1 in 1000 chance of winning a single playoff game against Tampa. I like a lot of your posts, but why should anyone lend credence to your predictions on the Jackets chancing of winning?



You keep saying "play our game" but I don't see how this series is going to be anything but a slog.



Great point, why not Hannikainen? Dude is a beast on the forecheck. Currently though we have an issue where the centers are grouped up on other lines and we'd have to break those lines up if one of them was to take Wennberg's spot. It's that or insert a center, Sedlak.

I'd be curious to see how Robinson would do, I tend to think he's not nearly as strong as others think he is. He can fly in open space but we've seen how little of that there is.

Actually, I picked us to win one game against Tampa. Ignore the polls on HF, as most people here don't understand what I'm doing. Check the HF bracket challenge for proof. I also predicted Boston in 6 in these threads. Glad to be wrong in round one, hope to be wrong here.

Our forecheck hasn't been very good in the last few games at home aside from some stretches. We rarely ever have any sustained offensive pressure, meanwhile Boston has. We need to get back to that, and Sedlak doesn't help our issue. Actually, neither does Hannikainen or Robinson. I don't know who should go in or out but if we're making moves for trust reasons I don't see Sedlak being in that group.

I'm not sure how it would go, but Nash and Dubinsky were barely playing at times in the regular season and have worked their way up to a lot more minutes, because they've improved and their play styles are suited to the moment (like I think Sedlak's would be).

Yeah because they work well as a unit. Sedlak hasn't had a sustained line in two years. Now isn't the time to experiment against a superior opponent. Run with the horses who got you here.

What's debatable is the term, "bubble team", with how the standing end up and parity in the NHL.

Not to mention where the 108 point season in 16/17 fits in the definition of "bubble team".



Care to explain why you want minimize his numbers ("zero" offensive game) in those AHL playoffs (in relation to the other young current CBJ players) and where you get your "inside info" on his contract offers you seem to be privy to?

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This, "trying to play their game, rather than ours", is complete nonsense. He brings a physical element along with a scoring touch around the net that none of those guys bring. He can be decent enough on faceoffs and in a defensive situation to be trusted more than them also. He's legitimately probably the fastest skater out of them also. If this group of guys is going to play together, Dzingel/Texier are going to need to work a lot harder to get their offense to shine through.



get away from the "buzzwords" and monikers.

Robinson, maybe, however I think he's moreseo a hybrid of Texier and Dzingel, but less skilled.

Bubble team = could have gone either way in regards to making the playoffs. Which is exactly what this team has been for the past two years. That's not debatable. Montreal and Florida the year before were just as much bubble teams as we were, we just so happened to be one or two games better than them. We earned that, but that's just reality.

I'm not minimizing his offensive numbers in that run. He got really hot. However, that was 3 years ago and in the minor leagues. He has not shown any offensive flash of anything near that in the NHL.

I can't find the dispatch article written after the one year extension he signed after that run, but I can recall it saying management didn't see a future in him before he got hot, and gave him the one year contract as a reward for a great run and being a key member to that team as well as give him an opportunity to be the 4th line center. As we know now, he won the job out of camp. Either way, believe me or not about that in 2016, there is no chance he returns next year.

He has a physical element as well as bringing potentially more faceoffs than Wennberg does. I agree there. He has zero offensive game. I don't know where this is coming from aside from that playoff run. His career high in points as a professional is 18 points. He nearly matched that total in that playoff run. That's an aberration. If you want to tell me he can bring more physically and all that better than Wennberg, Texier, Dzingel, or whoever, then fair enough, but he doesn't sniff any of these guys offensively and probably not even Hannikainen either. Speed wise, he is by far the slowest out of any of the fringe players and black aces.