koyvoo
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Matthews for my fantasy team, Gilmour to go to war with.
Matthews vs Gilmour
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Lafleurs Guy
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Thought this would be a runaway for Gilmour. I’d take him in a heartbeat.
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I'd take Matthews right up until game one of the postseason. Then I take Gilmour.
Matthews is a Stanley cup away from being the greatest Leaf of all time.
He's got the rockets, the Hart, the Ted Lindsay, the rookie of the year, he's got everything he needs except a championship.
He wins a championship he's the best Leaf of all time
He's not even the best Leaf on his own team
The Winter Soldier
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Gilmour, best 2 way player, and player period in the world from 92-94 in his prime. Carried the Leafs to 2 final 4 runs, a playoff warrior, fearless, tenacious, a leader. The only thing Matthews has the edge over him is regular season goal scoring. But Gilmour was so much more, unbelievable playmaker that made everyone around him better.
Felidae
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I mean, looking at all of this and OP's info.
Gilmour has the much better selke record, higher ranking hart finishes, very similar point and PPG finishes, except Gilmour has 1 up on matthews in both categories.
With what has happened up to this point, I'll still take Gilmour. But just as you said, Matthew's prime is still ongoing and he's already nearly matched Gilmour's entire career. Barring any significant decline or injury, Matthew's will probably have the better prime.
Lafleurs Guy
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But he’s never made it past the 2nd round and only made it past the first once. And it’s not like they’ve lost despite his play. He simply hadn’t gotten it done.
Gilmour was a beast. Incredible in the cup win with Calgary. A couple of great runs with Toronto. Played his best when it mattered. Just a great, great player.
It Ovechkin 14 years to win.
It took Yzerman 13 years.
It took Tampa's current core 12 years which included getting swept by Columbus after a 62 win season, and literally getting laughed out of the building at the 2019 NHL awards.
People forget that but it happened.
Matthews is 25, sometimes it takes awhile.
They broke their 1st round drought, maybe that's what it took.
Maybe not we shall see.
It's not over yet.
So during this "making it passed the first round" Matthews was 3rd in team scoring. In both playoffs and regular season. He wasn't even the best player on his own team.
You are comparing Matthews to Yzerman and Ovechkin. One is one of the best captains and 2 way players in league history, and a guy who is poised to break an "unbreakable" all time goal record. He isn't those guys.
Lafleurs Guy
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I get that. I do.
But he’s being compared to Gilmour. And Gilmour was an absolute beast in the playoffs. He won a cup with Calgary and wasn’t far off twice in TO. Really, really good.
You are correct that the story isn’t over. Matthews still has time to change his story. But I don’t think your comparison to Yzerman or OV translates. Those guys played well in the playoffs even when not winning. And Yzerman was on brutal teams for much of his prime.
It’s not just that Matthews hasn’t won, it’s that he’s flopped.
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I vote on Gilmour because if he wins this poll he would become Happy Gilmour.
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All time = All Time......it's not that far fetched. If Matthews brings the cup to Toronto in heroic fashion (he can't just be a passenger....he'll need to be the leader....which is a stretch to begin with) it's not a hard argument that he gets to greatest Leaf of all-time. The stretch is what needs to happen in the playoffs actually happening. In terms of all times goals and points lists, he should have no problem getting to the top of that eventually if he's healthy enough and stays with the team.....Marner seems to be the challenger right now for points.
Matthews will be 26 this week. Ovechkin, Yzerman and Tampa’s core all had more playoff success before they won the Cup.
Matthews still has a lot more to prove in the playoffs than the players you listed.
Like you said, all it takes is one great year but until it happens it’s a fair criticism imo.
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Outside of his run in 2018, Ovi has had a pretty underwhelming playoff career. Ovi only has 2 great playoff runs in my eyes, 2009 and 2018. Ovi has never made it past the 2nd round except for in 2018, so I wouldn't really agree that he had more success than Matthews before 2018.
Point is 2 of the greatest players to ever play this game, and the greatest team of the cap era didn't win right away. Far from it.
The Winter Soldier
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Only reason Matthews is leading this poll is perhaps the majority of voters to that picked him were not old enough to recall Gilmour in his prime from 92-94. I saw Sittler, Salming, Mcdonald, Sundin in their primes and none of them came close to Doug Gilmour’s impact on and off the ice, nevermind Matthews who yes scored 60 in perhaps his career year which right now looks like an aberration, he will need to do it again to prove he can repeat a year like that and more importantly lead his team to consecutive final 4 appearances, Gilmour has done this, gilmour in those 2 prime years was by far the better and more impactful player. Perhaps the best Leaf in those 2 prime years.
Very true, the leafs window opens up again imo in 2 yrs when taveras caphit comes off the books.
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