Matthews+Marner+Point vs Rantanen+Laine+Kane

[VoluntaryDom]

which trio is currently better

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[julkki]

This guy just can't get enough of Rantanen..

 

[Plural]

Point is the odd man out. He's at best an average 2nd liner.

 

[Critical13]

Point is the odd man out. He's at best an average 2nd liner.

Point is having the best season of the 3 Atlantic players...

Can you imagine:

Matthews - Point - Marner

That's a line that can dominate possession, defend well, and score at will.

The Central line would have some serious issues defending.

 

[Plural]

Point is having the best season of the 3 Atlantic players...

Can you imagine:

Matthews - Point - Marner

That's a line that can dominate possession, defend well, and score at will.

The Central line would have some serious issues defending.

It only appears he's having a good season
If you know the right advanced stats you'll see he's more like a good 3rd liner or poor 2nd liner.

 

[Apotheosis]

Leaning slightly toward the first group. It's faster and has the same high end vision.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

It only appears he's having a good season
If you know the right advanced stats you'll see he's more like a good 3rd liner or poor 2nd liner.

I'm really really interested to hear which advanced stats say Point is a 2nd/3rd liner. Care to tell?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

It only appears he's having a good season
If you know the right advanced stats you'll see he's more like a good 3rd liner or poor 2nd liner.

Please, provide your supposed evidence

 

[Leonhard Euler]

Please, provide your supposed evidence

Appears to me as though he's making fan of you for your Rantanen hot takes.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Appears to me as though he's making fan of you for your Rantanen hot takes.

Oh I’m sure he is. Difference is I provide evidence and reasoning for my opinions.

 

[authentic]

Matthews > = Rantanen
Marner >> Laine
Point > Kane

Atlantic pretty easily.

 

[talitintti]

Please, provide your supposed evidence

There is an advanced stats model that puts Yevgeni Dadonov as the best 5vs5 player in the world.

 

[PeterForsberg]

Guy will do anything to make Rantanen look bad lmao

 

[VoluntaryDom]

There is an advanced stats model that puts Yevgeni Dadonov as the best 5vs5 player in the world.

You are probably referring to his 5v5 p1/60 which is 6th in the league for this year and last behind Matthews MacKinnon Point McDavid and Kucherov. My response to that is that he might just be a really good offensive player. Great rates despite Florida overplaying their top-6. Dadonov is one of the best offensive players on the planet.

Anyway we are getting off topic my bad.

 

[talitintti]

You are probably referring to his 5v5 p1/60 which is 6th in the league for this year and last behind Matthews MacKinnon Point McDavid and Kucherov. My response to that is that he might just be a really good offensive player. Great rates despite Florida overplaying their top-6. Dadonov is one of the best offensive players on the planet.

Anyway we are getting off topic my bad.

Naw, it put Dadonov's 5vs5 contributions as the best in the world last year - was Sean Tierney's twitter post in the summer. Not going to search for that one.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Naw, it put Dadonov's 5vs5 contributions as the best in the world last year - was Sean Tierney's twitter post in the summer. Not going to search for that one.

I mean you could argue that for the 1 year sample. He had pretty good possession numbers though hard to say how much of that was him and how much was Barkov. (But if this year is an indication barkov’s defensive impact is way overstated). Waiting for a larger sample and/or tougher mins to call him a top 10 player but he’s top 20.

Dammit you got me off topic again. Matthews is a babe.

 

[Binister]

Oh I’m sure he is. Difference is I provide evidence and reasoning for my opinions.

Which are basically meaningless BS. I'm not sure did Rantanen and MacK make Tampa make look foolish - hence your Rantanen hate.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Which are basically meaningless BS. I'm not sure did Rantanen and MacK make Tampa make look foolish - hence your Rantanen hate.

No we held Rantanen to 1 secondary assist in 2 games against us. 1-0 and 7-1 bolts wins.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Matthews






Marner












Point
Laine
Rademem



Kane

 

[jonlin]

which trio is currently better

Maybe the 2nd option should have a C?

 

[JoVel]

Oh I’m sure he is. Difference is I provide evidence and reasoning for my opinions.

What is your evidence for Rantanen being like an average 2nd liner or whatever it is you've called him?

 

[34]

That 1st overall pick.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

What is your evidence for Rantanen being like an average 2nd liner or whatever it is you've called him?

Gets 5v5 primary points at a low-mid end first line rate despite having MacKinnon, doesn’t really drive possession, scoring rate falls off when away from mackinnon

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Point is the odd man out. He's at best an average 2nd liner.

LOL no. Point is an incredible young C.

 

[jonlin]

Gets 5v5 primary points at a low-mid end first line rate despite having MacKinnon, doesn’t really drive possession, scoring rate falls off when away from mackinnon

"Despite having MacKinnon"? Check MacKinnons stats away from Rantanen? MacKinnon and Landy suddenly exploded when they gor Rantanen on their line. Isnt that odd?

Landeskog 33p in 2016-2017
MacKinnon 53p in 2016-2017

Full-time with Rantanen

MacKinnon 97p 2017-2018
Landeskog 62p 2017-2018

Any 2nd liner has that kind of impact on linemates...