Matt Tkachuk or Mitch Marner

[Atomos2]

Marner benefits by playing with guys like Matthews and Tavares. He's overrated.

Everyone plays with everyone. Everyone is so overrated! They wouldn't be that good if everyone played with everyone instead of everyone.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Marner only has 5 goals in 25 career playoff games

So as many goals as Tkachuk has points?

Solid point.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Tkachuk for playoffs

5pts over 21pts
C'mon now.

In fact in any playoff season, Marner has exceeded Tkachuk's playoff ceiling.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I'm allowed to pick for myself

Those 28PIM have to hurt your team.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Marner in a vacuum. Tkachuk if you are a contender and adding a final piece.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Marner by an absolute country mile.

Tkachuk for playoffs

Why does Tkachuk have a reputation for being effective in the playoffs?

He's been awful, mostly because he can't skate

 

[Yepthatsme]

This isnt really a fair comp for Tkachuk. hes more comparable to Nylander.

I mean the answer to this thread is Marner but Tkachuk is a special talent offensively that people are seriously under rating.

The last two seasons Tkachuk had spent over 80% of his time 5v5 with Backlund, and a lions share of that with Frolik until Mangiapane came along. One is a third line centre, and I don’t even think Frolik has played a game this year. He still managed to be 30th in the league in 5v5 points during that stretch.

Marner played less than 5% of that time without one of Tavares or Matthews, and was 9th with a 17 point gap over Tkachuk during those two seasons. I wonder if Matthews or Tavares could boost someone by 8.5 points a season compared to a defensive role with Backlund.

Nylander was 121st during that time frame by the way.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I like Tkachuk but this should be Marner. Also the list of voters for Tkachuk is all the usual suspects. Keep on keepin on guys!! who else will I argue with a 3am lol

 

[CatchyTune]

I mean the answer to this thread is Marner but Tkachuk is a special talent offensively that people are seriously under rating.

The last two seasons Tkachuk had spent over 80% of his time 5v5 with Backlund, and a lions share of that with Frolik until Mangiapane came along. One is a third line centre, and I don’t even think Frolik has played a game this year. He still managed to be 30th in the league in 5v5 points during that stretch.

Marner played less than 5% of that time without one of Tavares or Matthews, and was 9th with a 17 point gap over Tkachuk during those two seasons. I wonder if Matthews or Tavares could boost someone by 8.5 points a season compared to a defensive role with Backlund.

Nylander was 121st during that time frame by the way.

Me saying that isnt downplaying Tkachuk. i just think he is closer to Nylander talent wise than Marner. Both had similar stat lines last year. While Marner was much more productive. And the trend continues this year.

 

[Bronxxx]

Marner blew Tkachuk out of the water. Next poll.

 

[34]

Marner by an absolute country mile.


Why does Tkachuk have a reputation for being effective in the playoffs?

He's been awful, mostly because he can't skate

Yeah no kidding. What the heck has he done? Like honestly?

 

[RogerR]

Marner benefits by playing with guys like Matthews and Tavares. He's overrated.

Marner got 69 points playing a lot of 3rd line minutes with neither in his second NHL season.

 

[RogerR]

It's kind of funny that matt has this reputation as a "Gritty" player, and yet Marner has ben far better in the playoffs.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Marner only has 5 goals in 25 career playoff games

good thing he's a playmaker

 

[RogerR]

I'm a leafs fan

Are you aware of what a playoff bust Tkachuck is?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Are you aware of what a playoff bust Tkachuck is?

so is the whole Leafs roster...

 

[Voodoo Child]

I mean the answer to this thread is Marner but Tkachuk is a special talent offensively that people are seriously under rating.

The last two seasons Tkachuk had spent over 80% of his time 5v5 with Backlund, and a lions share of that with Frolik until Mangiapane came along. One is a third line centre, and I don’t even think Frolik has played a game this year. He still managed to be 30th in the league in 5v5 points during that stretch.

Marner played less than 5% of that time without one of Tavares or Matthews, and was 9th with a 17 point gap over Tkachuk during those two seasons. I wonder if Matthews or Tavares could boost someone by 8.5 points a season compared to a defensive role with Backlund.

Nylander was 121st during that time frame by the way.

I could easily Tkachuk put up 80-85 points in a season.

And just as easily see Mitch put up 110.

 

[RogerR]

so is the whole Leafs roster...

Marner has 21 points in 25 games. And what the hell has Calgary done?

 

[McAsuno]

Marner AINEC

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Marner has 21 points in 25 games. And what the hell has Calgary done?

got further than you last year

 

[lucaseider]

jeez, people really find ways to dance around picking a leaf in a poll. and its a cold take at that.

Marner has 21 points in 25 playoff games.

Tkahcuk has 5 points in 15 playoff games.

Dance around picking a leaf? When this poll was made saying not counting contracts, knowing full well that benefits marner since he makes 40% more money? Ya, keep playing the victim leaf fans.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Me saying that isnt downplaying Tkachuk. i just think he is closer to Nylander talent wise than Marner. Both had similar stat lines last year. While Marner was much more productive. And the trend continues this year.

See this is the sentiment that I’m talking about. Tkachuk is not at a Nylander level of talent. Even just looking at point per game off their draft years.
D+1: .63 to N/A
D+2: .72 to .59
D+3: .96 to .75
D+4: .85 to .74
D+5: N/A to .5
D+6: N/A to .86

Last season they had comparable point per games. Nylander played less than 2% of his time without Matthews or Tavares. Tkachuk played 70% of his time with Backlund and led his team in points.

The graph shows their usages nicely. Tkachuk may not be a Marner level talent. But he is much better than a Nylander talent. Which is no slight on Nylander at all.

 

[CatchyTune]

Dance around picking a leaf? When this poll was made saying not counting contracts, knowing full well that benefits marner since he makes 40% more money? Ya, keep playing the victim leaf fans.

terrible reasoning to bring up playoff performances when Marner has been much better there.

And i take Marner with contracts too.

 

[CatchyTune]

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See this is the sentiment that I’m talking about. Tkachuk is not at a Nylander level of talent. Even just looking at point per game off their draft years.
D+1: .63 to N/A
D+2: .72 to .59
D+3: .96 to .75
D+4: .85 to .74
D+5: N/A to .5
D+6: N/A to .86

Last season they had comparable point per games. Nylander played less than 2% of his time without Matthews or Tavares. Tkachuk played 70% of his time with Backlund and led his team in points.

The graph shows their usages nicely. Tkachuk may not be a Marner level talent. But he is much better than a Nylander talent. Which is no slight on Nylander at all.

yes i would say Tkachuk is better i just said he is closer to Nylander.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Marner benefits by playing with guys like Matthews and Tavares. He's overrated.

In Marner's rookie season he was playing on a line where Tyler Bozak was his Centre.

In his second season he got moved onto a new line where Nazem Kadri was his Centre.

Plus in his first two seasons he never played same power play line with Matthews and obviously by default he could not play with Tavares at 5v5 or on the power play until his third year since he was still a member of the Islanders.