Value of: Matt Duchene to New Jersey

[A91]

Easiest no ever. You’re not getting a top-4 d and a first for a 2c

Duchene is a #1C though.

 

[Its a Trap]

Duchene is a #1C though.

Not in this past half decade he isn’t. He might have been. But he isn’t now.

 

[93LEAFS]

Duchene is a #1C though.

If you want to say there are 31 number 1 centers in the league? Then he might be, realitically, he's a 1B/2A guy at this time, similar to ROR, Kadri, Couture, Jordan Staal, Turris, Backlund, etc. You aren't happy if you are trying to build a contender with Duchene as your number 1, and he probably isn't up for the role. He's in that 21 to 45 or so range of Centers who are sub-par 1st line centers if used as such, but good to great 2nd line centers.

 

[A91]

Not in this past half decade he isn’t. He might have been. But he isn’t now.

Out of curiosity what do you consider Hischier to be currently? Because if Duchene is a 2C then Hischier is a 3C (obviously with tons of potential)

 

[Its a Trap]

Out of curiosity what do you consider Hischier to be currently? Because if Duchene is a 2C then Hischier is a 3C (obviously with tons of potential)

50 point players are 3rd liners? That’s an interesting way of classifying players.

 

[ThatGuy22]

He wants to be in Ottawa long term and I think he will be. But not a bad proposal at all

There probably isnt a player in Ottawa that wants to be there at this point. Just players under contract, the ones without better options and those with out the right to leave

 

[My3Sons]

Out of curiosity what do you consider Hischier to be currently? Because if Duchene is a 2C then Hischier is a 3C (obviously with tons of potential)

If you consider Hischier the functional equivalent of a 2C at 18-19 that's fine. Presumably he's just scratching the surface. I don't think the comparison to Duchene is relevant for this discussion.

 

[A91]

50 point players are 3rd liners? That’s an interesting way of classifying players.

He Duchene are clearly a tier apart to me.
I would classify Duchene as a #1C and Hischier as a #2C.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Not a chance because he was the num er one center with Colorado and it didn't work out he goes to the 2nd line in Ottawa and he made much improvement.

He wasn't our 2C though

 

[TeamRenzo]

Easiest no ever. You’re not getting a top-4 d and a first for a 2c

He's #1C

 

[not a troll]

He's #1C

He's a 1C on lottery teams.

 

[Its a Trap]

He Duchene are clearly a tier apart to me.
I would classify Duchene as a #1C and Hischier as a #2C.

Your classification is pretty terrible then or you’re overrating him. He hasn’t broken 60 points since he had 70 six years ago. And if you want to say points aren’t everything, it shouldn’t be too hard for a 1c to break 60 points at the very least. And clearly a tier apart? Not based on Hischiers one year in the league.

He's #1C

Saying it over and over again isn’t going to make it a true statement.

 

[Devilsrock17]

He started out as a number one in Ottawa and it didn't work they moved him to the second line a few games and it worked

He wasn't our 2C though[/QUOTE

 

[zar]

Some people are just argumentative and love devaluing other teams players to get a reaction... Duchene is a low end 1C. Period.

 

[LifeAfterAlfie]

There probably isnt a player in Ottawa that wants to be there at this point. Just players under contract, the ones without better options and those with out the right to leave

The Senators have lots of young talent (Chabot, White, Brown, Tkachuk, Chlapik, Wolanin, etc.) so the team may not be as bad as everyone thinks. Of course, it all depends on how the Karlsson situation resolves itself. I think a lot of people are mentally subtracting Karlsson and not replacing him with anyone. Their defense will obviously be a mess if they lose Karlsson and don't get a suitable replacement. If I was a young player, I would look at this as a big opportunity.

 

[Missionhockey]

I would love to add Duchene but if he costs any combination of Zacha, Bratt, or Severson, then I would probably pass. Especially if he remains unsigned.

Right now the most I would be comfortable giving is Mcleod and a first.

 

[TeamRenzo]

Your classification is pretty terrible then or you’re overrating him. He hasn’t broken 60 points since he had 70 six years ago. And if you want to say points aren’t everything, it shouldn’t be too hard for a 1c to break 60 points at the very least. And clearly a tier apart? Not based on Hischiers one year in the league.



Saying it over and over again isn’t going to make it a true statement.

Likewise, saying he isn't over and over again doesn't make it true.

What criteria are you using to define a "#1C"?

 

[Castle8130]

He Duchene are clearly a tier apart to me.
I would classify Duchene as a #1C and Hischier as a #2C.

Hischier is a much much much much better center than Duchene will ever be. Hischier might have been a rookie last year, but he was still one of the top two way centers for his age. He was a +10 on the devils, a team that had a poor season the year before. Note that Duchene has never been over a +8 in a season in his entire career. Also, Hischier had 56 takeaways and only 26 giveaways. An over 2.0 ratio, and a ratio better than Duchene has ever put up in his entire career.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Might as well come to Toronto to join his buddy John Tavares, with whom he's already enjoying the Muskoka region this off-season.

 

[Its a Trap]

Likewise, saying he isn't over and over again doesn't make it true.

What criteria are you using to define a "#1C"?

Uh...the fact that he doesn’t put up points equivalent to a #1c? Or are we going to argue intangibles and defense make up for not being able to hit even 60 points.

 

[seabass45]

I have Duchene as a low end 1C right now but he'll tail off into 2C territory soon as younger guys skip past him.

 

[Meeqs]

He wants to be in Ottawa long term and I think he will be. But not a bad proposal at all

Do you have any direct quotes on this or is this more of a narrative to make distressed Ott fans feel better?

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

He wants to be in Ottawa long term and I think he will be. But not a bad proposal at all

I hope so, but if I'm Duchene I'm not sure I would.

 

[goonybird]

*counts # of teams*

*counts # of first lines per team*

ThERe aRe ONly 9 NuMBeR OnE CenTerS In ThE NhL

 

[tucker3434]

Hischier is a much much much much better center than Duchene will ever be. Hischier might have been a rookie last year, but he was still one of the top two way centers for his age. He was a +10 on the devils, a team that had a poor season the year before. Note that Duchene has never been over a +8 in a season in his entire career. Also, Hischier had 56 takeaways and only 26 giveaways. An over 2.0 ratio, and a ratio better than Duchene has ever put up in his entire career.

Holy hyperbole. You’d think you were describing McDavid. And +/-. LOL. Neither are guys likely to #1C a team to a cup.