Emperoreddy
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The question will be asked over the next few days. We will know. Either Shero or Marty will reveal it.
Confirmed with Link: Martin Brodeur to retire; will remain with Blues front office
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The question will be asked over the next few days. We will know. Either Shero or Marty will reveal it.
JimEIV
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They didn't contact him for a month and half but they might have in last couple of days? Come on now...
But in hindsight it is all quite obvious now, Lou mentioned way back when, like December, that he couldn't offer him a position... What? Lou couldn't offer one of his favorite sons a position in the organization? His power was taken away a long time ago...it really doesn't take much to figure this out.
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JimEIV
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Even then what we get will be sugar coated. Just enough to always have that plausible deniability.
Kind of like Lou "this was 100% my decision"
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This is the thing, everything is now getting parsed to fit a specific narrative. Maybe Lou couldn't offer him a position cause he was still under contract to the Blues and they asked to keep him? Or Marty just wanted something higher up than Lou was willing to give at that point? Or your narrative is correct...we don't know what happened between Marty/Lou/Shero/ownership and probably never will - that's the problem with constantly going around in circles. I just reject the notion that FOR CERTAIN x, y and z occured based on at best circumstantial evidence.
I don't believe Shero never talked to Marty 'at all', he basically had to - between the obvious PR quandry, pressure from the media and perhaps prodding from Lou. Plus he really wasn't going to talk to anyone before officially taking the job anyway, and Lou wasn't going to start hiring guys that Shero would be forced to keep when he knew the transition was underway. Clearly Shero wasn't ready to offer him a job or the specific job he wanted, I think everyone can agree with that. If Marty felt disrespected I don't exactly think he'd keep his mouth shut about it, god knows he was cranky enough his last year here with Lou.
I mean that's really all this is about, whether Marty was disrespected or not...him not being an exec here when he has little experience is really no big deal in a vaccum otherwise. And whether it actually was ownership driven or just Shero not wanting to hire someone as an assistant that he'd never worked with. You think that everything goes back to ownership, I don't think they're exactly getting involved in whether Marty's an assistant GM or not. If they were gonna get involved they'd probably push for Marty for PR, I don't see what they'd gain by having Shero hire some office wonk from Pittsburgh over Marty as assistant GM.
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JimEIV
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I was going to answer each point but there really is no point to keep this going.. but I need to say I don't see the issue as "whether Marty was disrespected or not."
I see the issue as an organizational problem.
I see the issue as a fundamental 180° shift in the way the team does business, of course not just this, but a series of events over the last 5 months that have been highlighted in the last few days. The minutia of the issues aren't all that important what is important is I believe we are seeing business conducted in way that would have never been done before in New Jersey, it's amateurish and lacking. It looks to me like something you'd see from an embarrassing organization ran by Mr Wang.
Of course all of this is a complete non issue if you believe what has been built here has no value and you're longing for a "new normal" but I for one would hate for the Devils to be the same as everyone else marching to a beat set by the collective.
Zippy316
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Hell, even if they did talk to Brodeur, he's under contract with the Blues so they can't explicitly state that -- I believe Shero said that at one point.
Stop getting all twisted up over nothing. Just as you want to think they didn't call Brodeur, Shero could've just as easily talked to him and told him to get some experience in St Louis and then we will go from there. You never know and you likely never will know.
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Marty himself contradicted that though, when he claimed his contract was up and the Devils were free to talk with him. They had enough time to talk in the last week plus and probably did.
HobokenIrish
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I would be pretty surprised if Lou did not talk to Marty at all after the TG article.
But if he did not maybe there are legitimate reasons why.
To me I'd be pretty surprised if Marty was "disrespected". This is the same team who traded for a draft pick just so Marty could have an amazing family moment and draft his son
But if he did not maybe there are legitimate reasons why.
To me I'd be pretty surprised if Marty was "disrespected". This is the same team who traded for a draft pick just so Marty could have an amazing family moment and draft his son
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http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2015/05/devils_great_martin_brodeur_to_be_named_st_louis_b.html
Chere's article today says Marty was offered a position in January but "away from the team" interesting...it's interesting because it's pretty much the exact opposite of what Lou said then.
But Brodeur also reiterates he was NEVER contacted...He doesn't give a date of these words but it is obviously more recent than the last time he said no one contacted him because of the context that he is working with St. Louis now.
Chere's article today says Marty was offered a position in January but "away from the team" interesting...it's interesting because it's pretty much the exact opposite of what Lou said then.
But Brodeur also reiterates he was NEVER contacted...He doesn't give a date of these words but it is obviously more recent than the last time he said no one contacted him because of the context that he is working with St. Louis now.
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MB30 has spoken about becoming management for awhile now.
I'm more in Jim camp on this one, the fact that he hasn't gotten a call is a jookeeeey and amateur hour. I like the bond the Flyers have with the players that won the cup, they are still in the community and if they are not doing PR/Alumni they actually work in Hockey Ops.
If Shero was and is rumored on the Penguins wanting to "pluck" Guerin and other players, the courtesy would of been to have MB just come in for a talk and about what role he would have here.
I'm more in Jim camp on this one, the fact that he hasn't gotten a call is a jookeeeey and amateur hour. I like the bond the Flyers have with the players that won the cup, they are still in the community and if they are not doing PR/Alumni they actually work in Hockey Ops.
If Shero was and is rumored on the Penguins wanting to "pluck" Guerin and other players, the courtesy would of been to have MB just come in for a talk and about what role he would have here.
Drewr15
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I rather not give a token job to a guy that wants a position with meaning. Forcing Shero to hire Marty to be his Assistant GM would have been a terrible idea and a sign that Lou is still in complete control. Not sure why Marty would need to get a call stating that they will not offer him a position as high as Assistant GM.
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I think there might be something in between the assistant GM job and not calling at all...maybe?
Whaddagoal
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Looking at this, for me, based on how I perceived Marty's demeanor shifting over the last two seasons, I don't really think its fair to say this organization disrespected Marty.
For the last two seasons, he didn't really look like he "wanted" to be part of the group here. Obviously, he said whatever was necessary to be said when the questions were prompted in his face by the local beat reporters, but he had that "I don't really care anymore" demeanor about him. All the snarky PR relations with press and he didn't seem to graciously handle his career winding down with a very respectable Schneider in the room. I get it, its hard for a legend to step down, fine.
It looked like Marty wanted to be the #1 or wanted out. Basically, the organization decided to move ahead with Schneider who was entering his prime, (a reasonable move that any respectable organization would make and I would feel fine if they made that same move over again)....Marty just didn't want any part of that transition, only on his terms. It was too much for him to accept a secondary status given how "legendary" he is. Rightly or wrongly, he probably considered that too much of a slight to let go.
I see the narrative that the Devils didn't reach out to Marty, and there are quotes from Marty to say that he was waiting, but realistically, he had made up his mind and checked out, awhile ago. All the actions speak for themselves. Why didn't he stick around for backup work? Why didn't he stick around to be a 1b while Schneider shifted to the prime guy? Why did he have his token retirement ceremony with the Blues? Why did he not have his real one here (even after the Blues ones).....Its goes on and on. I just don't see how the org disrespected him...particularly how you see the org had treated past alumni. Instead, I see that he didn't want to be part of his org, for whatever his reasons and motivations are, and that's his decision.
The guy already has his house for sale, according to this latest NHL article
For the last two seasons, he didn't really look like he "wanted" to be part of the group here. Obviously, he said whatever was necessary to be said when the questions were prompted in his face by the local beat reporters, but he had that "I don't really care anymore" demeanor about him. All the snarky PR relations with press and he didn't seem to graciously handle his career winding down with a very respectable Schneider in the room. I get it, its hard for a legend to step down, fine.
It looked like Marty wanted to be the #1 or wanted out. Basically, the organization decided to move ahead with Schneider who was entering his prime, (a reasonable move that any respectable organization would make and I would feel fine if they made that same move over again)....Marty just didn't want any part of that transition, only on his terms. It was too much for him to accept a secondary status given how "legendary" he is. Rightly or wrongly, he probably considered that too much of a slight to let go.
I see the narrative that the Devils didn't reach out to Marty, and there are quotes from Marty to say that he was waiting, but realistically, he had made up his mind and checked out, awhile ago. All the actions speak for themselves. Why didn't he stick around for backup work? Why didn't he stick around to be a 1b while Schneider shifted to the prime guy? Why did he have his token retirement ceremony with the Blues? Why did he not have his real one here (even after the Blues ones).....Its goes on and on. I just don't see how the org disrespected him...particularly how you see the org had treated past alumni. Instead, I see that he didn't want to be part of his org, for whatever his reasons and motivations are, and that's his decision.
The guy already has his house for sale, according to this latest NHL article
he's definitely not sticking around here any longer, at least not for awhile. If he was, he'd find a way to keep his home here, rent it out, etc. etc. Basically, it looks like he really cut ties with the organization as a whole, and it doesn't have to do with "Lou" stepping aside as GM...., this was in the making for some time already.
Does it really matter anyway? He's in St. Louis now, whether the Devils reached out to him or not. If he really wanted a job with the Devils, I think he probably has Lou's number.
Emperoreddy
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glenwo2
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Translation : Our "esteemed" new Devil Overlords(Harris/Blitzer) don't give a rat's ass about this Franchise's history and accomplishments. The only thing they give a crap about is $$$$$$$$$. I mean let's not forget that those two were more interested in the Prudential Center itself than the actual hockey team.
Hell...maybe next we'll start tanking like the Sixers in the coming years. Seems to be their modus operandi.
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JimEIV
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How is who Brodeur is getting lost in this?
Marty wasn't just a great Devil, Marty wasn't just a cornerstone of the franchise for 20 years that brought the team to premiere status out of doldrums of the 80's...
Marty was one of the greatest players of all time, in the history of the league... The career Marty had here rewrote the record books and he signed contracts without an agent for less money so the team could be better during the prime of his career at the cost of alienating himself from the players Union.
That is owed. That isn't just a player, that is an intricate part of the fabric of this organization. That is legendary stuff, and there is no doubt Brodeur is a legend.
But hey, he's got our number... Right?
Marty wasn't just a great Devil, Marty wasn't just a cornerstone of the franchise for 20 years that brought the team to premiere status out of doldrums of the 80's...
Marty was one of the greatest players of all time, in the history of the league... The career Marty had here rewrote the record books and he signed contracts without an agent for less money so the team could be better during the prime of his career at the cost of alienating himself from the players Union.
That is owed. That isn't just a player, that is an intricate part of the fabric of this organization. That is legendary stuff, and there is no doubt Brodeur is a legend.
But hey, he's got our number... Right?
Richer's Ghost
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You're making assumptions galore here. Have your opinion - but don't expect anyone to take your interpretations and feelings as anything but just that.
Sticking around to be backup? He did then his contract ran out and wasn't offered another one by the Devils.
As far as the "retirement ceremony" that was well covered ground you're either ignoring or aren't paying nearly as close attention as you make it seem in gathering your "evidence" above.
Whaddagoal
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He started 39 games his last season here, hardly qualifies as a backup role. Maybe they didn't offer him another contract because Marty already told them (direct and indirectly) he wasn't interested in a backup role. Actually I remember at the end of that season he kept iterating to press (to the effect..that) he was looking for a team where they could use him as a starter. No one even hired him as a backup ny the time camp rolled around.
Can't dig up the links right now as I am on mobile/work, but surely I am not the only one that has that memory.
Sure, I said that this is my perception on the matter that seems more probable based on Marty's actions, than the org giving him the shaft. Look at all the alum in the org already. Stevens, Brylin, mac, dano, albelin, hedberg, lemaire, etc. I am not claiming to know his mind.
