Confirmed with Link: Maroon to Edmonton

[70sSanO]

I'd put Pirri with Perry, nice sounding as has already been brought up. I think McGinn on the Getzlaf line helps to keep it a grinding line. When Stewart comes back things may change.

As for the future, I really think Silfverberg is a candidate to be moved. The Kesler line can shut down but there needs to be another scorer. Right it is only Kesler.

A lot will depend on how the playoffs go and what we do with our RFA's and what's available.

John

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Getzlaf said losing Maroon was "tough" because "he meant a lot to our locker room"

 

[George Binks]

Did maroon play in buffalo 2night?

 

[duxfan1101]

Did maroon play in buffalo 2night?

No, but he has apparently chosen to wear the famed #19 in Edmonton.

 

[AngelDuck]

Getzlaf said losing Maroon was "tough" because "he meant a lot to our locker room"

I'm not sure how much I should read into this, but I got a sinking feeling in my stomach reading that.

 

[Chexxum]

I'm not sure how much I should read into this, but I got a sinking feeling in my stomach reading that.

Same, this feels like when GMBM shipped off Penner at the deadline and it seemed to mess with the chemistry in the locker room. Hopefully we're just looking into this too deeply.

 

[Theridion]

He meant a lot in the locker room must be relative to his lack of on ice contributions.

I like that Maroon is basically an NHL fringer doing the best with his tools to make a career. So I am a fan of his. But if this team falls apart because a 4th liner gets traded, then that's just too many degrees of silly to comment on.

This team is stronger now. And if Pirri or McGinn catch on like Perron has so far, our scoring ability could rival the best scoring ability we have seen on an Anaheim squad. As well as some solid defense and special teams action.

 

[Kalv]

Getzlaf said losing Maroon was "tough" because "he meant a lot to our locker room"

That was the first thing Getz mentioned, so looks like the boys do feel a bit down about it. Welp, it`s business...

 

[12ozPapa]

Same, this feels like when GMBM shipped off Penner at the deadline and it seemed to mess with the chemistry in the locker room. Hopefully we're just looking into this too deeply.

There ya go.

We did not lose due to a lack of locker room chemistry due to Penner's departure. Nor will we lose because of the same reasons due to Maroon's departure.

If this team is THAT weak, that a trade of a VERY minor impact player affects our chemistry THAT much, then we have major issues.

This Maroon trade was a great trade from both team's perspectives and ought to remain that way.

 

[Kalv]

There ya go.

We did not lose due to a lack of locker room chemistry due to Penner's departure. Nor will we lose because of the same reasons due to Maroon's departure.

If this team is THAT weak, that a trade of a VERY minor impact player affects our chemistry THAT much, then we have major issues.

This Maroon trade was a great trade from both team's perspectives and ought to remain that way.

Maroon is a big guy who was great behind the net/along the boards/passing down low. I think that is way bigger loss than the chemistry - he was a complementary player, for sure, but he was damn good at what he was doing.

 

[Vipers31]

Same, this feels like when GMBM shipped off Penner at the deadline and it seemed to mess with the chemistry in the locker room. Hopefully we're just looking into this too deeply.

The thing with the Penner move was that it opened up an actual hole, not just one in the locker room. It seemed to happen in anticipation, and the deals we were after then fell through. Also, Penner's contributions that season, while definitely inconsistent, had been much bigger than Pat's this year. This time, we've filled out the roster beforehand, and then moved who had been replaced. I don't think there are any Penner-parallels.

On a less than serious note, McGinn was said to be a good and Pirri a great locker room guy, the latter also being the team's DJ. Once he's moved up the locker-hierarchy enough for that, it's one area where I think an upgrade could be really needed.

 

[12ozPapa]

Maroon is a big guy who was great behind the net/along the boards/passing down low. I think that is way bigger loss than the chemistry - he was a complementary player, for sure, but he was damn good at what he was doing.

Agreed. His skills are not found in many players on this roster. But his skills never led to much success. People are able to blame him, coaching, his linemates, etc. But he never generated much success and especially with what his price tag was becoming...

We are better off making this trade. And better off making it now. I have seen/heard some mention that we ought to have made this trade in the offseason which is a bewildering statement to me. No way after a sub-par season and due to make more for the next two season would we be able to get more than we did in this trade. In addition, simply riding ourselves of his contract in a plus (granted, at 25% retained).

 

[Kalv]

The thing with the Penner move was that it opened up an actual hole, not just one in the locker room. It seemed to happen in anticipation, and the deals we were after then fell through. Also, Penner's contributions that season, while definitely inconsistent, had been much bigger than Pat's this year. This time, we've filled out the roster beforehand, and then moved who had been replaced. I don't think there are any Penner-parallels.

On a less than serious note, McGinn was said to be a good and Pirri a great locker room guy, the latter also being the team's DJ. Once he's moved up the locker-hierarchy enough for that, it's one area where I think an upgrade could be really needed.

Who is our current DJ and what is he playing? Curious

Agreed. His skills are not found in many players on this roster. But his skills never led to much success. People are able to blame him, coaching, his linemates, etc. But he never generated much success and especially with what his price tag was becoming...

We are better off making this trade. And better off making it now. I have seen/heard some mention that we ought to have made this trade in the offseason which is a bewildering statement to me. No way after a sub-par season and due to make more for the next two season would we be able to get more than we did in this trade. In addition, simply riding ourselves of his contract in a plus (granted, at 25% retained).

In a 7 game series he can really do damage.He was quite good last year for example, increasing his production in the offseason. He`s just that type of player. In playoffs games are tighter and the Big Rig was doing his job really good down low and along the boards.

 

[snarktacular]

I just want to mention that Maroon's contract that is considered enough of an albatross that it required retention hasn't even finished its first year.

He had signed the extension before his previous contract had begun that contract's last year.

Yes he really fell off this year, but it does go to show the dangers of multi-year extensions.

 

[DucksAreCool]

Maroon is a big guy who was great behind the net/along the boards/passing down low. I think that is way bigger loss than the chemistry - he was a complementary player, for sure, but he was damn good at what he was doing.

He wasn't that good at doing it this season. Some people liked Maroon a lot and I think it's clouding their judgment at the moment. He's not a big loss, the players may miss a friend but they won't miss a contributor on the ice. That has been upgraded

 

[pesko]

I just want to mention that Maroon's contract that is considered enough of an albatross that it required retention hasn't even finished its first year.

He had signed the extension before his previous contract had begun that contract's last year.

Yes he really fell off this year, but it does go to show the dangers of multi-year extensions.

Yeah, and thinking back most of us were pretty happy with that contract at the time. It's kind of crazy that he only has one even strength goal since signing the deal.

 

[Duck Off]

It was pretty obvious that Maroon was running out of opportunities for us, I don't know what kind of rotation you would've seen him being in with the additions of McGinn, Pirri and Garbutt and Stewart and Horcoff returning.



He has been pretty bad this season and we have a lot of depth that can replace him. The point is that based on some of the reactions it would appear that he's a key piece in our cup run.

If Pirri doesn't work in a top 6 role, he won't be in the lineup. The way I see saw it:

Perron-Getzlaf-Stewart/Pirri
Cogs-Kesler-Silfverberg
McGinn-Rakell-Perry
Maroon/Horcoff-Thompson-Garbutt/Santo

No. The reactions are due to being upset of Murray's piss poor asset management in this deal, and the timing of it. No reason this trade needs to happen now. No reason not to try and get him through waivers first.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

getting rid of someone underperforming is not bad asset management
trading palmieri for very little is bad asset management,
replacing beauch with bieksa and giving up a 2nd to do so is bad asset management

 

[Duck Off]

I think your over exaggerating the retaining a bit. It's 500,000 against the cap for two years. That's not going to break the bank or hurt us for the next two years. Retaining sucks, and trading a player we all liked sucks, but I'm going trust Murray on this one because we aren't getting hurt from the trade all that much.

It's exaggeration now, but when we spend a million less on less quality player, it's because we're a budget team. Rinse and repeat. Never mind that so many said a reason to pay a 2nd for Bieksa and let Beauch walk was to save money... almost the same amount that we're retaining on Maroon.

getting rid of someone underperforming is not bad asset management
trading palmieri for very little is bad asset management,
replacing beauch with bieksa and giving up a 2nd to do so is bad asset management

Getting negative value back for an asset (yes I could consider this trade negative value) that we didn't have to move now is bad asset management. At least attempt to give him away for free first if he just had to go.

The Palmieri comparison really isn't accurate either. Palmieri did underperform last year. I do call that bad asset management as well. I just don't see how you call that bad asset management, but this isn't. Similar scenario, different scale.

 

[Goose of Reason]

Maroon had 7 goals last playoffs, but there was also a lot of time he missed a wide open net and on this board there was groaning about what if Getzlaf and Perry had someone on their line that could actually shoot. I like Maroon, but his time was up, and his on ice impact isn't going to be that missed. Yeah, the locker room part sucks but these guys are professionals, they can handle it.

 

[alcolol]

It's exaggeration now, but when we spend a million less on less quality player, it's because we're a budget team. Rinse and repeat. Never mind that so many said a reason to pay a 2nd for Bieksa and let Beauch walk was to save money... almost the same amount that we're retaining on Maroon.



Getting negative value back for an asset (yes I could consider this trade negative value) that we didn't have to move now is bad asset management. At least attempt to give him away for free first if he just had to go.

The Palmieri comparison really isn't accurate either. Palmieri did underperform last year. I do call that bad asset management as well. I just don't see how you call that bad asset management, but this isn't. Similar scenario, different scale.

A top-100 pick is never negative value, especially with our drafting prowess.

 

[Dirk316]

This trade could have been made in the off-season. My. Prediction is the Ducks will regret this horrible trade and it will come back to bite them.
The Ducks have nobody to fill the role Maroon brings especially with Stewart out

 

[Sojourn]

Has anyone mentioned that this may also have been done for Maroon? That with his spot in the line-up potentially taken, that he would be spending a fair bit of time sitting, and maybe neither side wanted that?

 

[dracom]

Has anyone mentioned that this may also have been done for Maroon? That with his spot in the line-up potentially taken, that he would be spending a fair bit of time sitting, and maybe neither side wanted that?

A good point, that unfortunately we wouldn't really know from our end.

 

[alcolol]

Has anyone mentioned that this may also have been done for Maroon? That with his spot in the line-up potentially taken, that he would be spending a fair bit of time sitting, and maybe neither side wanted that?

GMBM's comments suggested as much. He mentioned the additions of Pirri and McGinn would have made an awkward glut of forwards if not for the Maroon trade.