Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[LaPlante94]

You never really think your team is gonna sign a player you drafted and didn't sign a few years later. Does this happen a lot because I don't think I've ever seen it but a lot of signings unless it's Leafs related. Korshkov next?

 

[uncleben]

Anyone been following the Marlies enough lately to know if any of the Growlers guys that were sent back to the Marlies have seen icetime since their team folded?


(And Minnesota re-assigned Ovchinnikov back to to Toronto after the trade, but he hasn't played since, has he?)

 

[barilko05]

Can't wait for news that 2017 5th Round pick, Fedor Gordeev, has joined the Marlies on an ATO.

Or Rasanen! That guy was BIG. 6'6", 225. Sadly, looks like he's been out of pro hockey since last year. Another Hunter "swing-and-a-miss."

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Korshkov next?

Panthers hold Korshkov's rights until June 30th.

 

[LaPlante94]

Panthers hold Korshkov's rights until June 30th.

He's gonna become their next Verhaeghe if they sign him

 

[SprDaVE]

Anyone been following the Marlies enough lately to know if any of the Growlers guys that were sent back to the Marlies have seen icetime since their team folded?


(And Minnesota re-assigned Ovchinnikov back to to Toronto after the trade, but he hasn't played since, has he?)

Cruikshank and Isaac Johnson played last night and have played games with the Marlies through the year. Singleton has played recently. These 3 seem like they will likely keep getting some form of ice time as they close the season, maybe even in the playoffs as well.

Suthers and Tychonick have played games with the Marlies through the year but not since the Growlers folded I don't think.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He's gonna become their next Verhaeghe if they sign him

Korshkov is a year younger than Verhaghe, they better hurry.

 

[aingefan]

Korshkov is a year younger than Verhaghe, they better hurry.

If Korshkov didn’t keep getting hurt, who knows….guy had talent.

On another note:

Looks like the D and G spots are pretty solid heading into next year.

Webber-Niemela
Rifai-Villeneuve
Kokkonen-Mattinen
X - Clarke

Hildeby Peksa Akhtyamov

Top 5 and goalies are all waiver exempt and tracking fine, team still has rights to Lajoie if so inclined. No one particularly green in there, and room to grow for most of em.

Niemela and Rifai are probably first man up on their respective sides.

 

[horner]

If Korshkov didn’t keep getting hurt, who knows….guy had talent.

On another note:

Looks like the D and G spots are pretty solid heading into next year.

Webber-Niemela
Rifai-Villeneuve
Kokkonen-Mattinen
X - Clarke

Hildeby Peksa Akhtyamov

Top 4 and goalies are all waiver exempt and tracking fine, team still has rights to Lajoie if so inclined. No one particularly green in their, and room to grow for most of em.

Niemela and Rifai are probably first man up on their respective sides.

I ti liked Korshkov he scored a goal in his 1st game with the leafs .
Traded a yr or 2 later.

 

[DarkKnight]

Let's not pretend it isn't useful, especially playing defense

Some people just don’t get hockey.

“The four teams with the tallest defensemen have all won the cup in the past 5 seasons. St. Louis, the two Tampa wins and last years Vegas teams were teams with very tall defensemen.”

 

[Fogelhund]

Some people just don’t get hockey.

“The four teams with the tallest defensemen have all won the cup in the past 5 seasons. St. Louis, the two Tampa wins and last years Vegas teams were teams with very tall defensemen.”

Forgetting Colorado of course, who didn't have very tall defensemen.

 

[Dekes For Days]

“The four teams with the tallest defensemen have all won the cup in the past 5 seasons. St. Louis, the two Tampa wins and last years Vegas teams were teams with very tall defensemen.”

Where did you get this from? Not only is Tampa not two separate teams, but these teams also don't appear to be the teams with the tallest defensemen in the years they won. Colorado also had one of the smaller defenses, and there was nothing notably tall about Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago, or LA defenses when they won over the previous 7 years. Florida went to the finals last year with only two defensemen above 6 foot.

 

[DarkKnight]

Forgetting Colorado of course, who didn't have very tall defensemen.

For sure, point is a bigger defence has a higher probability of ultimate success. For example this year, the 10 tallest teams, 8 are in the playoffs. Weight wise, 8 out of 10 as well.

 

[ULF_55]

For sure, point is a bigger defence has a higher probability of ultimate success. For example this year, the 10 tallest teams, 8 are in the playoffs. Weight wise, 8 out of 10 as well.

Obviously, a bad team with tall defenders isn't what's being discussed.

Now only 4 games but Canucks scuttled the Oilers this year, and McDavid was out the last game, but the bigger Canucks defenders kept the Oilers discouraged most of the game.

Evander Kane got tackled (I thought it could have been a penalty) by Soucy and wanted to start something up and Soucy just said move on and went to the bench. Now their best, Hughes is the same size as Niemela, but surrounded by oaks.

But it does take more than size, add strength and the propensity to meanness ... Rielly had good weight, but seems to lack that screw you attitude.

 

[Dekes For Days]

For sure, point is a bigger defence has a higher probability of ultimate success. For example this year, the 10 tallest teams, 8 are in the playoffs. Weight wise, 8 out of 10 as well.

Actually, of the 10 tallest teams this year, 5 are currently in the playoffs, with the potential for 2 more.
Last year, among the 10 tallest teams, 5 were in and 5 were out.

Average height of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 20th
2021 - 24th
2020 - 24th
2019 - 3rd
2018 - 20th
2017 - 29th
2016 - 29th
2015 - 21st
2014 - 2nd
2013 - 14th
2012 - 8th
2011 - 25th
2010 - 9th
2009 - 13th
2008 - 30th
2007 - 9th
2006 - 23rd

Average weight of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 14th
2021 - 2nd
2020 - 4th
2019 - 5th
2018 - 6th
2017 - 30th
2016 - 30th
2015 - 28th
2014 - 3rd
2013 - 22nd
2012 - 1st
2011 - 26th
2010 - 17th
2009 - 20th
2008 - 29th
2007 - 8th
2006 - 30th

Seems to be pretty overrated.

 

[DarkKnight]

Actually, of the 10 tallest teams this year, 5 are currently in the playoffs, with the potential for 2 more.
Last year, among the 10 tallest teams, 5 were in and 5 were out.

Average height of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 20th
2021 - 24th
2020 - 24th
2019 - 3rd
2018 - 20th
2017 - 29th
2016 - 29th
2015 - 21st
2014 - 2nd
2013 - 14th
2012 - 8th
2011 - 25th
2010 - 9th
2009 - 13th
2008 - 30th
2007 - 9th
2006 - 23rd

Average weight of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 14th
2021 - 2nd
2020 - 4th
2019 - 5th
2018 - 6th
2017 - 30th
2016 - 30th
2015 - 28th
2014 - 3rd
2013 - 22nd
2012 - 1st
2011 - 26th
2010 - 17th
2009 - 20th
2008 - 29th
2007 - 8th
2006 - 30th

Seems to be pretty overrated.

Actually.

NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight | leftwinglock.com

NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight.

leftwinglock.com

 

[ULF_55]

Actually, of the 10 tallest teams this year, 5 are currently in the playoffs, with the potential for 2 more.
Last year, among the 10 tallest teams, 5 were in and 5 were out.

Average height of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 20th
2021 - 24th
2020 - 24th
2019 - 3rd
2018 - 20th
2017 - 29th
2016 - 29th
2015 - 21st
2014 - 2nd
2013 - 14th
2012 - 8th
2011 - 25th
2010 - 9th
2009 - 13th
2008 - 30th
2007 - 9th
2006 - 23rd

Average weight of cup winner:

2023 - 1st
2022 - 14th
2021 - 2nd
2020 - 4th
2019 - 5th
2018 - 6th
2017 - 30th
2016 - 30th
2015 - 28th
2014 - 3rd
2013 - 22nd
2012 - 1st
2011 - 26th
2010 - 17th
2009 - 20th
2008 - 29th
2007 - 8th
2006 - 30th

Seems to be pretty overrated.

2016 and 2017, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel right?
Hawks won their Cups there, Kane and Toews, with their supporting cast.
Blues Cup had a big defense.

A big defense doesn't win the Cup, but a big defense might be an equalizer. Blues were not a powerhouse.

Avs, best defenseman isn't large, but he isn't their best defenseman, he might be the league's best defenseman. Makar isn't even a smurf though.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Actually.

NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight | leftwinglock.com

NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight.

leftwinglock.com

That appears to be ice time adjusted, which adds Dallas to make it 6 in the playoffs, with potentially 2 more, after 5 in and 5 out last year. Eliteprospects has team averages.

2016 and 2017, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel right?
Hawks won their Cups there, Kane and Toews, with their supporting cast.
Blues Cup had a big defense.
A big defense doesn't win the Cup, but a big defense might be an equalizer. Blues were not a powerhouse.
Avs, best defenseman isn't large, but he isn't their best defenseman, he might be the league's best defenseman. Makar isn't even a smurf though.

So essentially, there are lots of different ways to win and a bunch of tall and heavy players are in no way a requirement.

 

[ULF_55]

So essentially, there are lots of different ways to win and a bunch of tall and heavy players are in no way a requirement.

Obviously.

Talent alone doesn't get it done.

There is a limited supply of NHL players.

Not every team can ice a MacKinnon, Kopital, Crosby, Kane, Vasilevskiy, Hedman so they have to utilize other assets. Perhaps it is a good defense with size. A bad defense with size is still a bad defense.

Equal talent, take the size. Talent on its butt isn't pretty.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Perhaps it is a good defense with size.

Seems like it's just a good defense, period, which can be achieved in many different ways.
Or good something else. Poor defensive teams have won too.
Essentially, just be good. There is no specific recipe.

 

[ULF_55]

Seems like it's just a good defense, period, which can be achieved in many different ways.
Or good something else. Poor defensive teams have won too.
Essentially, just be good. There is no specific recipe.

There is always a recipe, there isn't just one recipe.

Wouldn't need a GM if there was no recipe.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There is always a recipe, there isn't just one recipe.
Wouldn't need a GM if there was no recipe.

I guess it would be better to say that everybody has their own unique recipe, and while some may prefer raisins in their cookies, you're just as likely to win the baking competition without them.

 

[Twine Tickler]

great news on Grebyonkin if true. He could really be an X-factor for us down the line. It will be nice to have more control over his development if anything.

Also Mattinen is a name I had al but given up on TBH. I literally thought the score app made a mistake when I got the notification. Very cool story

 

[Namikaze Minato]

We will have to wait a little longer for Grebyonkin, his team is on their way to the KHL final.

 

[aingefan]

We will have to wait a little longer for Grebyonkin, his team is on their way to the KHL final.

Be interesting to see if he’ll continue to get hosed more for toi or not, given it’s the finals.

I guess it would be better to say that everybody has their own unique recipe, and while some may prefer raisins in their cookies, you're just as likely to win the baking competition without them.

Especially if you use macadamias.