Confirmed with Link: Mark Freidman contract extension (2x725k 1-way)

[Curufinwe]

Hagg was the #7 till Ghost got hurt. "Gaga" seems like a stretch.

NHL.com Stats

 

[deadhead]

Just gonna leave this here...

Hagg's 2019-2020 rankings (of defensemen with over 500 min at 5v5)...
183 of 197 in CF%
170 of 198 in xGF%
189 of 197 in CF/60
143 of 197 in CA/60
181 of 197 in xGF/60
113 of 197 in xGA/60
197 of 197 in CF%rel
193 of 197 in CF/60rel
197 of 197 in xGF%rel
191 of 197 in xGF/60rel
1 of 197 in PDO (aka luck)

So. He's a #6/#7, 31x6 = 186 starting defensemen before injuries.
In other words, he's ranked where he should be, near the bottom.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hagg was the #7 till Ghost got hurt. "Gaga" seems like a stretch.

NHL.com Stats

He was playing from opening night, before Ghost got hurt.

 

[kudymen]

Game by game

NHL.com Stats

 

[Curufinwe]

Only because they didn't have Myers on the roster yet. When Ghost and Myers were healthy and available, Hagg was clearly the 7th dman.

 

[Striiker]

Both Ghost and Myers got healthy scratched for Hagg multiple times.

 

[TCTC]

Myers had a back injury and a knee injury.

 

[FLYguy3911]

People suggesting that Hagg has real trade value has more to do with the quality of the league's decision makers and what they value than the quality of the player. Most GMs in this sport aren't out to reinvent the wheel. They trust the judgement of their peers and tweak from there. For example, Hagg played every game under Hextall/Hakstol in 18-19. That continued under Fletcher and before you know it he's played in all 82 games and he's getting the nod over Myers the following season after an atrocious preseason.

 

[kudymen]

Complains "@Striiker keeps talking about Ghost everywhere, whaa whaaa"
->
Participates in Friedman thread, talking about Hägg, Brennan.

 

[Striiker]

 

[TCTC]

That's like 3 games and Myers was very inconsistent the first half of the season.

 

[Striiker]

Through 41 games (first half of the season) at 5v5:

Myers
23 games played
10 points
48.43 CF% (-3.49 rel)
48.80 xGF% (0.27 rel)

Hagg
23 games played
4 points
47.44 CF% (-7.76 rel)
45.78 xGF% (-11.10 rel)

Inconsistent with potential > consistently bad

There's no excuse to play Hagg over Myers when Myers is healthy. None. Myers is better in every category that matters.

 

[TCTC]

Point is, once Myers consistently played like he belonged, he wasn't scratched. The tough love approach didn't hurt his development. Sometimes young players need a break to reflect.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Too bad Hagg never got the tough love treatment. He'd be an All-Star by now.

 

[BritainStix]

...chasing forwards in the D zone. ..... what the hell do you think he would have done in the NHL? lol

His team would generally have the puck 50% of the time unlike the system employed by Coach goober in the AHL. Score off the rush or dump the puck.

 

[rinaldo]

So myers was scratched a few games because the coaching staff for whatever reason. Not like it is a teaching moment or anything, My God what a bad and incompetent staff. Inexcusable.

 

[Starat327]

Of all the threads on this forum to become a tirefire, the one about Freidman is the one I least expected it to be. But here we are.

 

[Striiker]

Of all the threads on this forum to become a tirefire, the one about Freidman is the one I least expected it to be. But here we are.

God help anyone who dares to suggest a mistake was made by the staff.

It’s like simping for old men.

 

[Rebels57]

Good to see the greatest hits of pointless debates coming out of hibernation as the return to play draws closer.

 

[Striiker]

It's unfortunate that they're still relevant thanks to poor coaching and management.

 

[Tripod]

That poor coach is an Adams Finalist...for the 5th time.

 

[TheKingPin]

Of all the threads on this forum to become a tirefire, the one about Freidman is the one I least expected it to be. But here we are.

haha I thought it was pretty predictable.

 

[Striiker]

Which shows how worthless those awards are.

The Jack Adams is basically the award for being head coach of the roster that the media underrated and performed better than they expected. It doesn't involve actual in-depth evaluations of what the coaches actions and their decision making.

The fact that the Flyers are a very good team is only surprising to people who didn't pay attention to how good this core is or how badly Hakstol held them back. It's not like this is a mediocre roster that's good thanks to some kind of coaching magic.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Hockey is f***ing stupid, amirite?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Yeah...... no. Morin tore his ACL, twice, on innocent plays along the boards. Could happen anywhere. Saying "if he was actually treated properly, there's no way he ends up with those injuries" is absurd, even by HFBoards standards.

I like Morin, but some of the posts here are odd. The Flyers didn't "mess up" his development. Morin had a strong pre-season and didn't end up making the team. That happens to players every season on teams across this league, and every other professional sports league. He went down, played fine, was recalled, and disclosed that he was actually injured and didn't end up playing.

Again, I like Morin, but I think many folks are forgetting that he did well in exhibition, where many folks do well, and still handles the puck like a grenade when he's pressured. I'm pulling for him though. Hoping he can stay healthy and have a long NHL career.

Spot-on post. I’ll add that despite Morin’s poor decision making & poor puckhandling under pressure, he also is not great a pivoter defensively, which is why he can be beat to the outside despite his reach.