Value of: Marcus Foligno

[AKL]

I would do a 2nd for Foligno pretty easily. I don't anticipate being competitive next season, but even if we are, Foligno isn't going to be the difference between missing/1st round exit and winning a couple rounds. That 2nd may be nothing in the long run, or it might be the next good middle six player taken in the 2nd round. I would take that risk at the expense of a year of Foligno. Easily.

 

[rynryn]

we could probably get a second for him next year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

body thing...i don't mean a sudden equipment allergy or anything that would technically prevent him from skating, but the accumulation of injuries and the fear that acquiring more will lead to long term suffering where the reward of playing a reduced role wasn't worth it. like "i don't feel like i'm contributing like i should, and my back is starting to feel like i'm a dozen chrosschecks from another surgery". rather than hit that point and go out a rich crippled guy he might decide to leave with what health he has if he's not getting as much out of playing as he used to.

He can do all that and still do LTIR instead of retiring.

He's still owed $17 million after this year. $14 million coming in the next 2 years. Even though he's made bunch already, that's tough to walk away from if you don't have to.

Again, is your solution to this possible issue to staple him, undeservedly, to the top line even if it becomes a detriment to the team?

 

[AKL]

we could probably get a second for him next year.

So why wait? Just pushes back the time it will take for that asset to contribute. We need to move a LW or two anyway. If we're selling guys at the deadline, is the last month of this season and the first five months of next season worth hanging on to Foligno for?

And if he regresses back to how he's been every year besides this one, can we really still get that 2nd for him?

Sell high on guys you don't need or won't be a part of the future.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I would do a 2nd for Foligno pretty easily. I don't anticipate being competitive next season, but even if we are, Foligno isn't going to be the difference between missing/1st round exit and winning a couple rounds. That 2nd may be nothing in the long run, or it might be the next good middle six player taken in the 2nd round. I would take that risk at the expense of a year of Foligno. Easily.

I am.mot taking 2nd for Foligno! Wild want to win next year and he also protects wild good players especially young ones like fiala, Spurgeon, Kaprizov, or even old ones like parise eyc..

 

[AKL]

I am.mot taking 2nd for Foligno! Wild want to win next year and he also protects wild good players especially young ones like fiala, Spurgeon, Kaprizov, or even old ones like parise eyc..

If I have ever given the impression that I care about or value your opinion on player value and trades, I apologize.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

we could probably get a second for him next year.

Possibly, or his luck could change and he could drop back down to what he was his first 2 years here.

2nd rounders are legit assets.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

If I have ever given the impression that I care about or value your opinion on player value and trades, I apologize.

Like I care about yours! Your opinion means nothing to me

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I am.mot taking 2nd for Foligno! Wild want to win next year and he also protects wild good players especially young ones like fiala, Spurgeon, Kaprizov, or even old ones like parise eyc..

The 30 year old?

 

[AKL]

The 30 year old?

To be fair he still looks 23

 

[rynryn]

He can do all that and still do LTIR instead of retiring.

He's still owed $17 million after this year. $14 million coming in the next 2 years. Even though he's made bunch already, that's tough to walk away from if you don't have to.

Again, is your solution to this possible issue to staple him, undeservedly, to the top line even if it becomes a detriment to the team?

best case scenario is a wink wink equipment allergy; as far as i know you can't claim LTIR without having a doctors note. my solution is "we lie in the bed Craig made".
Depends on how the team as a whole is doing and how they're deploying. Is he going to do well deploying in the defensive zone vs top lines 60% of the time when he's slowed enough to kick off the top lines?

 

[rynryn]

To be fair he still looks 23

23 forever, probably.

 

[Bazeek]

23 forever, probably.

Only until the casks of blood run out.

 

[Lion Hound]

I think he is a NYR at the deadline.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I think he is a NYR at the deadline.

What exactly does rangers give the wild?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think he is a NYR at the deadline.

Rangers are buyers 9 points back with 3 teams in between?

 

[Chrisinroch]

A 2nd is just something that you use and hope that you get a player in 4 or 5 years that turns out to be....Foligno. I'm all for acquiring draft picks, but at some point you have to ask yourself what you are gaining.
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Exactly. I don’t think people realize just how low the success rate is for picks outside of the first 20 or so.

 

[AKL]

Exactly. I don’t think people realize just how low the success rate is for picks outside of the first 20 or so.

Just want to point out that Wayne Simmonds, Derek Stepan, Jason Zucker, Brandon Saad, William Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, Tyler Bertuzzi, Christian Dvorak, Sebastian Aho and Alex DeBrincat were all second rounders. That doesn't even include any goalies or defenseman, nor any forwards (and there were a lot of them) that became better players than Foligno.

The idea that we shouldn't value 2nd rounders for a guy like Foligno because all you do is hope they become as good as Foligno is ridiculous. Foligno's a bottom six guy at best, and was a fourth liner until this season. If we get offered a 2nd for Foligno, especially a pick in the top half of the 2nd round, we take that and run. Fast.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Just want to point out that Wayne Simmonds, Derek Stepan, Jason Zucker, Brandon Saad, William Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, Tyler Bertuzzi, Christian Dvorak, Sebastian Aho and Alex DeBrincat were all second rounders. That doesn't even include any goalies or defenseman, nor any forwards (and there were a lot of them) that became better players than Foligno.

The idea that we shouldn't value 2nd rounders for a guy like Foligno because all you do is hope they become as good as Foligno is ridiculous. Foligno's a bottom six guy at best, and was a fourth liner until this season. If we get offered a 2nd for Foligno, especially a pick in the top half of the 2nd round, we take that and run. Fast.

Aren't wild 2point out of playoff? If I were your GM, I would stand pat & make trade at draft

 

[PuckInTheNards]

Why the hell would you ever trade Foligno? He'd get maybe a 2nd or 3rd in a trade and he's far more valuable to the team than that.

 

[AKL]

List of 2nd rounders since 2016 I would trade Foligno for:

2016
Tyler Benson
Jordan Kyrou
Libor Hajek
Alex DeBrincat
Jonathan Dahlen
Samuel Girard
Carter Hart
Ryan Lindgren
Kale Clague
Filip Hronek
Dillon Dube
Dylan Gambrell

2017
Conor Timmins
Nicolas Hague
Aleksi Heponiemi
Eetu Luostarinen
Alex Formenton
Alexander Volkov
Maxime Comtois
Jack Studnicka
Josh Brook
Joni Ikonen

2018
Jonatan Berggren
Jesse Ylonen
Alexander Romanov
Bode Wilde
Jack Drury
Ruslan Iskhakov
Scott Perunovich
Kirill Marchenko
Akil Thomas
Calen Addison
Kevin Bahl
Filip Hallander
Ivan Morozov

2019
Shane Pinto
Arthur Kaliyev
Bobby Brink
Raphael Lavoie
Nils Hodlander
Kaedan Korczak
Vladislav Firstov (luckily I don't have to)
Jamieson Rees
Samuel Fagemo
Nick Robertson
Robert Mastrosimone
Brett Leason
Nikita Alexandrov

And that's just like, the bare minimum, most of those teams wouldn't consider trading a lot of those guys for Foligno.

 

[rynryn]

chance a 2nd rounder plays more than 50 NHL games is like 40%? going off memory. then it drops to 30% if they play 100 games etc etc.

not going to convince me that second round pick of ours is going to make an impact. it'll make draft day more exciting, but that's about it.

 

[Chrisinroch]

Just want to point out that Wayne Simmonds, Derek Stepan, Jason Zucker, Brandon Saad, William Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, Tyler Bertuzzi, Christian Dvorak, Sebastian Aho and Alex DeBrincat were all second rounders. That doesn't even include any goalies or defenseman, nor any forwards (and there were a lot of them) that became better players than Foligno.

The idea that we shouldn't value 2nd rounders for a guy like Foligno because all you do is hope they become as good as Foligno is ridiculous. Foligno's a bottom six guy at best, and was a fourth liner until this season. If we get offered a 2nd for Foligno, especially a pick in the top half of the 2nd round, we take that and run. Fast.

Good job naming 2nd round hits. I would get arthritis typing the names of all of the 2nd round busts.

The *point* is that you hope a 2nd round pick turns into a Foligno. You are at the Elks Club and you are taking your actual $20 winning pull tab up to the lady to buy 20 more pull tabs. Statistically, it’s not a good value play.

 

[Chrisinroch]

chance a 2nd rounder plays more than 50 NHL games is like 40%? going off memory. then it drops to 30% if they play 100 games etc etc.

not going to convince me that second round pick of ours is going to make an impact. it'll make draft day more exciting, but that's about it.

The difference between a mid 1 and a mid 2 is pretty significant. After that, the slope flattens; meaning the difference between a 2nd and a 3rd isn’t as great. Likewise a 3rd and a 4th.

https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/2018/02/15/nhl-draft-analytics-study-nhl-central-scouting/

 

[Lion Hound]

Rangers are buyers 9 points back with 3 teams in between?

he’s not a rental