Marc Bergevin: Offseason Fork in the Road Edition

[NotProkofievian]

What a prize he turned out to be. I am looking forward to seeing his new nose though.

It was the summer before last, too. Hard to believe it's actually been two utter garbage seasons out of Drouin.

He's only [current age], let's give him [however many years plus one] before we throw him under the bus.

 

[jaffy27]

He did get you the French-Canadian Drouin last summer...

Who was that?

 

[sandviper]

List of NHL teams and how many playoff series they have won in the last 5 years

ANA - 3
ARI - 0
BOS - 4
BUF - 0
CGY - 1
CAR - 2
CHI - 4
COL - 1
CBJ - 1
DAL - 2
DET - 0
EDM - 1
FLR - 0
LAK - 0
MIN - 1
MTL - 1
NSH - 5
NJD - 0
NYI - 2
OTT - 2
PHI - 0
PIT - 9
SJS - 6
STL - 7
TBL - 6
TOR - 0
VAN - 0
VGK - 4
WSH - 7
WPG - 2

15 teams have strictly more playoff series wins than us in the last 5 years. If we join the 0 playoff wins in 5 years club, will we see the end of the Bergevin era?

I’m working off my iPad so I am sure I made some mistakes, but anyways...

What I am about to say I know isn’t a good indicator of GM performance in the past 5 years, but using your list and taking into account those with zero playoff wins and correlating it with management changes...

Arizona: 1 GM change.
Buffalo: 1
Detroit: 1
Florida: 2
LA: 1
Jersey: 1, but more because Lou left.
Philly: 2
Toronto: 2, but I look at this as 1 since Lou left.
Vancouver: NO CHANGES! Wow.

When you factor in those with 1 series win:

Calgary, Colorado, Columbus: No changes.
Edmonton: 1, and years too late.
Minny: 1
Montreal: ZERO

Taking the second group and talking number of playoff appearances past 5 years:

Calgary: 3 appearances
Colorado: 2, though both past 2 seasons.
Columbus: 3
Edmonton: 1
Minnesota: 4
Montreal: 2

What does all this mean? Kinda just saying when a team performs poorly, staff are let go. Sakic had 9 lives also, but he’s at least made the playoffs twice now recently. Montreal has made it twice in the past 5, but missed 3 of the past 4 and missed the last two.

MB’s time has GOT to be up if they miss again this season.

 

[ArtPeur]

He did get you the French-Canadian Drouin last summer...

You mean 2 summers ago.



... but he did get Domi/Tatar and traded away Pacioretty/Galch last summer

 

[Rapala]

I couldn't agree more and he seemed to have some 5 on 5 chemistry with Domi. I think he was sacrificed with the angle that they see Byron in the top 6 and/or they want to give youth a ''real'' chance.

It had better be the latter and not the former. Dear God.

 

[Rapala]

96pt season, ascending, with one of the best prospect pools in the league is hardly sinking......you’re still thinking we just drafted Kotkaniemi last month......move forward into the present

Keep bringing up useless points.
Because they were exactly that.

 

[jaffy27]

Keep bringing up useless points.
Because they were exactly that.

Ahhhh....you’re still in the past, come join us in the present, future is much brighter here

 

[Frank Drebin]

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Trading Shaw is the best thing Bergevin did this off-season, in terms of moves that were actually completed.

I liked Shaw, thought he was an effective player.

That said never thought we'd get a2nd and 3rd for him with his injury history

 

[OldCraig71]

It was the summer before last, too. Hard to believe it's actually been two utter garbage seasons out of Drouin.

He's only [current age], let's give him [however many years plus one] before we throw him under the bus.

Drouin has been embarrassing especially when you consider that he is our highest paid forward. He gets one more season here with the habs to try and improve his game, there are too many young guys on the way that want his job and I don't think he can afford to be a lazy disinterested player any longer. If he struggles out of the gate this year it might get ugly, Julien demoted him last year and he didn't respond and that was a red flag for me, especially when you consider that the team needed much more from him. He has talent to burn but is lacking in desire.

 

[THE HOFF]

It had better be the latter and not the former. Dear God.

Byron is such a Julien/Bergevin type of player. Tatar-Danault-Gallagher will start the year together. Wouldn't be surprised if Kotkaniemi centered Domi and Byron unless Drouin has a really good camp.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Drouin has been embarrassing especially when you consider that he is our highest paid forward. He gets one more season here with the habs to try and improve his game, there are too many young guys on the way that want his job and I don't think he can afford to be a lazy disinterested player any longer. If he struggles out of the gate this year it might get ugly, Julien demoted him last year and he didn't respond and that was a red flag for me, especially when you consider that the team needed much more from him. He has talent to burn but is lacking in desire.

The most embarrassing act of apologism that I ever witnessed on this board was characterizing Drouin's deployment in his first year as ''throwing him to the wolves.'' Other players spend their entire career fighting for, and never receiving, the opportunity he was handed on a silver platter and could not lose no matter what he did. It was frankly disgusting.

 

[Habs Icing]

Yeah what did you expect ? hahah

People here think they are entitled to a Galchenyuk/Domi trade every year. The worst part is that the amount of fans that dumped on MB for making that trade in the first place was insane.

MB has many faults but he can't be labelled as ''inactive'' like some here suggest. Last ~3 years we added Weber , Drouin, Domi in the summer. I personally think we won all those trades. People don't like the team, yet when a player that got non-stop stick like Shaw leaves, suddenly everyone is finding he was on a nice contract and he was a worthy first liner going into next year. He's not taking a youngster's roster spot anymore, no, he's now beloved.

to comeback on previous trades, Subban and galchenyuk weren't important enough pieces to keep for the respective teams we traded them to. Keep that in mind when you crap on those trades.

I agree with 2/3s of the highlighted part of your post. But let's say I agreed 100%. MB's job is not to create trades he wins. His job is to create a team that wins. Wins the cup. In his 7 year tenure his teams haven't won much of anything.

 

[Milhouse40]

I liked Shaw, thought he was an effective player.

That said never thought we'd get a2nd and 3rd for him with his injury history

Yep, but the cost of getting him was astronomical.
2 high 2nd round pick and one turned out to be 40 goals scorer Debrincat…..or it could very well be Samuel Girard.

But to make room for him we also traded Eller for 2 low 2nd round pick.
Now he's a fixture as a defensive 36-38 points 3rd line center who's being a strong PO presence for the Caps, healthy as a horse, contract friendly too.

So getting a 2nd and a 3rd for Shaw from Chicago is not really a good end to the Shaw story.
Great work by Bergevin i guess?

 

[Habs Icing]

Quote me ONCE saying Shaw was a bad contract/bad player. Once.

Shaw was a bad contract/bad player.

 

[Habs Icing]

Ahhhh....you’re still in the past, come join us in the present, future is much brighter here

Jaf, you're on record saying you'd be really disappointed if he doesn't improve the team this off-season and you've agreed that so far he has done diddly squat to improve the team. If I were you I'd hold off painting this team's future as bright. You might be reminded that you said you'd want MB fired if he did nothing to improve the team. Well, he has done nothing. And drafting doesn't count. That's the amateur scouting staff's job.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I agree with 2/3s of the highlighted part of your post. But let's say I agreed 100%. MB's job is not to create trades he wins. His job is to create a team that wins. Wins the cup. In his 7 year tenure his teams haven't won much of anything.

It's the cruel reality of such positions: results, or GTFO.

 

[Habs Icing]

It's the cruel reality of such positions: results, or GTFO.

After MB's spectacular off-season last year I was one of the posters willing to give him this off-season. It looks like he is gonna squander this off-season which only means Molson should squander more money on a new GM. It appears MB is incapable of raising this team past a certain level.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Yep, but the cost of getting him was astronomical.
2 high 2nd round pick and one turned out to be 40 goals scorer Debrincat…..or it could very well be Samuel Girard.

But to make room for him we also traded Eller for 2 low 2nd round pick.
Now he's a fixture as a defensive 36-38 points 3rd line center who's being a strong PO presence for the Caps, healthy as a horse, contract friendly too.

So getting a 2nd and a 3rd for Shaw from Chicago is not really a good end to the Shaw story.
Great work by Bergevin i guess?

It could have been both.

Girard + Debrincat + Eller
or
2nd + 3rd + Harris + Ikonen

yikes

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

After MB's spectacular off-season last year I was one of the posters willing to give him this off-season. It looks like he is gonna squander this off-season which only means Molson should squander more money on a new GM. It appears MB is incapable of raising this team past a certain level.

The scary thing is the next time we have an opportunity to win like we did in 2014-2015, who's to say Bergevin will have learned anything at all from his past experiences? He'll likely still just add depth players no matter what we need at this point.

 

[walsy37]

Jaf, you're on record saying you'd be really disappointed if he doesn't improve the team this off-season and you've agreed that so far he has done diddly squat to improve the team. If I were you I'd hold off painting this team's future as bright. You might be reminded that you said you'd want MB fired if he did nothing to improve the team. And drafting doesn't count. That's the amateur scouting staff's job.

He said the exact same thing to me a year ago. There was no way MB would not use the cap space to impove the team and go into the season with all those millions of cap space. When he did where was Jaffy27 owning up?

 

[Ozmodiar]

After MB's spectacular off-season last year I was one of the posters willing to give him this off-season. It looks like he is gonna squander this off-season which only means Molson should squander more money on a new GM. It appears MB is incapable of raising this team past a certain level.

Same.
I thought last off-season bought him time, but this one was the time to strike.

I still think he'll do something significant before camp. (false hope?) It will have to be a trade now.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I agree with 2/3s of the highlighted part of your post. But let's say I agreed 100%. MB's job is not to create trades he wins. His job is to create a team that wins. Wins the cup. In his 7 year tenure his teams haven't won much of anything.

That happens

 

[Milhouse40]

It could have been both.

Girard + Debrincat + Eller
or
2nd + 3rd + Harris + Ikonen

yikes

I doubt we would have drafted both but it is a possibility.
But just one of Girard or Debrincat in your equation and it's still yikes.

Still can't believe many fans were calling each and everyone of those move a good one.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

He said the exact same thing to me a year ago. There was no way MB would not use the cap space to impove the team and go into the season with all those millions of cap space. When he did where was Jaffy27 owning up?

It's like those women getting beat up repeatedly by their boyfriends.

"... but, but but HE LOVES ME! I can change him! He can change. I swear it's the last chance I give him!"

 

[Habs Icing]

That happens

What happens? Incompetence.