Northern Dancer
The future ain't what it used to be.
Not matter what the scenario, Leaf fans, for the most part, have very little patience.
This thread proves that.
Not matter what the scenario, Leaf fans, for the most part, have very little patience.
Not matter what the scenario, Leaf fans, for the most part, have very little patience.
This thread proves that.
FWIW, the first line was a net positive in ES GA and ES GF last season. Maybe less time can help increase that.
Not matter what the scenario, Leaf fans, for the most part, have very little patience.
Yet both of you were staunch supporters of Burke's accelerated retool .
Where was this patience in '08 ?
But they also have now made the playoffs in 23 consecutive years and counting by building a team structure that is playoff and cup competitive annually. The last time Red Wings fans didn't get to see their team play a playoff game was 1989-90.
If the Leafs made the playoffs for over 2 decades straight and took a run at the Cup each and every season than I think the patience level would be much higher as well for Leaf Nation.
Toronto fans have seen 1 playoff series (that ended badly) in the last decade and that was a result of a lockout shortened season.
Yet both of you were staunch supporters of Burke's accelerated retool .
Where was this patience in '08 ?
Well Kessel #2 (17:30), Bozak #4 (17:03) and JVR #9 (16:27) in ES TOI/g in the NHL last year.
All 3 in the top 10.
So how many less goals or points will they score if 2 minutes is deducted and how many less goals against will they be on for also via less TOI/g.
Will the 3rd and 4th liners be able to compensate for the losses of offense?.
I am 100% OK with any type of rebuild is deemed necessary by management. I only want to win the Stanley Cup and am not as sharp as you or others who profess to know more than professional hockey people.
Nobody quarrels with Detroit's success. But it really is a stretch to consider the drafting of Yzerman as the start of the so-called proper rebuild. Detroit actually wanted to draft Lafontaine that year but he was gone at the 4th pick. They also tried to trade Yzerman to Ottawa for Yashin straight-up in the late 90's.
They had a bucketful of luck going for them as well.
The 2 biggest mistakes this organization made was not listening to JFJ when he said the team needed to draft rebuild coming out of the first lockout.
Then hiring that blowhard that told them they didn't need to as he could win sooner with his "it doesn't take 5 years" accelerated retooling to assemble a winner nonsense that has seen the Leafs mired near the bottom the entire time.
Thus proving JFJ was right and Burke was wrong.
It appears now finally a light bulb has gone off at MLSE (perhaps its Bell/Rogers instead of the Teacher's pension plan owners) and the hiring of Shanahan that seems to be instituting a new draft strategy and patience that should have happened 10 years ago.
Better late then never as they say !!!!
I am 100% OK with any type of rebuild is deemed necessary by management. I only want to win the Stanley Cup and am not as sharp as you or others who profess to know more than professional hockey people.
im pretty convinced that shannahan and liewikie want to tank although neither will admit it publicly. the leafs did basically the bare minimum this off season imo to look like they did something but not enough to actually make a difference. im also not convinced that they wont look to unload pieces like lupul or phaneuf if they could get the right return.
the truth is shanny doesnt really have a choice regarding fixing the leafs. the only way to get the players we need is through the draft. many of our players are locked up long term, most of which are overpaid and underperforming, and the remaining spots are bandaids/stop gaps, question marks, or just plain awful. all of which are borderline untradeable.
I agree but i'd have more faith in this new "go slow approach" if there actions backed up there words .
Failing at singing there desired ufa's and then bringing in retreads to fill most of the available roster spots doesn't scream patient rebuild .
It seems like Shanny is just laying down preemptive excuses if this season turns to crap.
so you're saying you just blindly support/defend everything mang does regardless of how poorly the results have been ?
No, mistakes are made i.e. jfj jr, I had no problem with Fletcher V-1 nor Burke.
What is it that makes you think every one in mang is competent at there jobs ? I don't, see above, also Imlach V-2 was a huge mistake.
Do you actually think kids of former GM's like Shero/JFJ/Bowman/Flectcher would be where they are without their fathers connections regardless of how they've performed since given their opportunities ?
As Bill gates said "life isn't fair, get over it!" nepotism is rampant through-out our society.
Also why do you even bother posting in a hockey forum when you have no opinion on how the teams being run other than to regurgitate everything mang is saying ? That is a very good question. I do in this forum as I do in life, I am optimistic about the future in general, the Leafs are part of my life. I have been a subscriber for 40 years. Now wouldn't I be a very mentally challenged person if I were a 40 year subscriber and went through life with a cloud over my head?
I agree but i'd have more faith in this new "go slow approach" if there actions backed up there words .
Failing at signing their desired ufa's and then bringing in retreads to fill most of the available roster spots doesn't scream patient rebuild .
It seems like Shanny is just laying down preemptive excuses if this season turns to crap.
Perhaps I've interpreted your meaning incorrectly but, signing some short term UFA's to fill out the roster because you didn't get the guys you desired this year seems very much like a patient approach.
I see where you are coming from hotpaws but you (like a handful of others) seem to be anti-Leafs no matter what they do.
I cannot wait to see the thread "Leafs Don't Spend to the Cap" once the season starts to see the slagging of Rogers/Bell for only being worried about $$$$$$.
Seems to me the same posters who despised Burke are now setting themselves up to despise Shanahan when it is more appropriate.
That also depends on if the Leafs want to keep Franson and Reimer though,I can see one if not both traded. Is Ashton able to sign a 2-way deal or is that over now?
I agree but i'd have more faith in this new "go slow approach" if there actions backed up there words .
Failing at singing there desired ufa's and then bringing in retreads to fill most of the available roster spots doesn't scream patient rebuild .
It seems like Shanny is just laying down preemptive excuses if this season turns to crap.
The patient approach would have been to deal our ufa's for picks/prospects not to let them walk for nothing when we can't resign them . The patient approach would have been to leave some spots open for a few Marlies and not to fill them with retreads from around the league .
This team keeps trying to sell youth and patience to mask their incompetence but there actions betray them.
Well if the retreads don't have any meaningful impact or are unable to improve the team and the 8th worst team last season drops into the bottom 5 this year if the season turns to crap then wouldn't that be considered a success if your #1 priority is draft rebuilding?
With the moves the Leafs have made then this is certainly the possibility. When you replace players with lesser versions of themselves the logical outcome is not to expect improvement.
The higher the draft pick the better the potential to land a better future player.