Speculation: Maple Leafs' busy offseason plans (all-encompassing Leafs thread)

[BHD]

Based on this article from NHL.com after the Kapanen trade...

"Anywhere we can improve our roster over where it was is how we want to use the cap space," Dubas said. "I'd love to be able to give a definitive answer on exactly how we are going to use it, but we wanted this flexibility so we could be flexible inside the marketplace for either free agents or trades."

How many moves will Dubas make? Of what level will they be?

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[A Loyal Dog]

If they can find a way to shed some more cap, I think Pietrangelo will be Toronto-bound, which would be huge for them.

 

[themelkman]

Another nothing story. Every team likes flexibility and says they are going to make moves. Doesnt mean anything will happen

 

[Empoleon8771]

If they can find a way to shed some more cap, I think Pietrangelo will be Toronto-bound, which would be huge for them.

Apparently tying up a shitload of money into 3 players wasn't enough, better make it 4 $10+ million players

 

[TOGuy14]

I think we are paying too much for secondary scoring (Kerfoot, Johnson, formerly Kapanen) that doesn't do all that much scoring.

It looks like the Dubas plan is to shed the expensive depth, and look for more value deals like Spezza (Thornton?), search for foreign gems (Mik) and use prospects to free up space at the top

 

[MisterT]

Apparently tying up a shitload of money into 3 players wasn't enough, better make it 4 $10+ million players

You'd almost think Pittsburgh didn't do this Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Fortunately for Pittsburgh there was no pandemic causing the anticipated cap escalation to vanish after inking those controls. How dare Dubas not factor COVID-19 into his long-term plans.

 

[BigHabs]

You'd almost think Pittsburgh didn't do this Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Fortunately for Pittsburgh there was no pandemic causing the anticipated cap escalation to vanish after inking those controls. How dare Dubas not factor COVID-19 into his long-term plans.

Ummmm they all happen to be under 10mill each.

9.5 - Malkin
8.7 - Crosby
7.25 - Letang

24.5mill for those three.

Compared to the 33.5 of the Leafs big 3. Almost 10mill in difference.

They all signed under what the going rate at the time for star power was 10mill+. The going rate now is around 11-12.5mill for top level. They were still signing under league highs.

The whole thing that you are getting at about the pandemic and the cap is an issue with everyone. Not just Toronto. It’s just for all the praise Dubas gets he handled the cap space terribly. They’ve had the same results with Tavares that they had without him. He wanted to come to Toronto they should of got a discount. Especially for the past 5yrs their issue has been defense but hey let’s get another center which they didn’t even need. Lock up Holl at 2mill per for the role he plays you could of got someone from league minimum to 1mill to do. Marner was given a ton of money as well. It’s Dubas you should be after no complaining about Pittsburgh’s roster and how they are ok and not struggling with cap problems. Every team is facing it not just Toronto like I said earlier.

The problem is Marner and Tavares for as bad as they wanted to be in Toronto they didn’t give any home town discount. Where as Crosby and Malkin took less to be able to insulate the team with capable wingers and grit.

Their issue is their defense was subpar this year as well as goaltending in the playins. Toronto’s big 3 the only one who really tried and showed up was Matthews. Toronto needs their big 3 to show up. Their defense played decent in the playins.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

You'd almost think Pittsburgh didn't do this Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Fortunately for Pittsburgh there was no pandemic causing the anticipated cap escalation to vanish after inking those controls. How dare Dubas not factor COVID-19 into his long-term plans.

Ummmm they all happen to be under 10mill each.

9.5 - Malkin
8.7 - Crosby
7.25 - Letang

24.5mill for those three.

Compared to the 33.5 of the Leafs big 3. Almost 10mill in difference.

They all signed under what the going rate at the time for star power was 10mill+. The going rate now is around 11-12.5mill for top level. They were still signing under league highs.

The whole thing that you are getting at about the pandemic and the cap is an issue with everyone. Not just Toronto. It’s just for all the praise Dubas gets he handled the cap space terribly. They’ve had the same results with Tavares that they had without him. He wanted to come to Toronto they should of got a discount. Especially for the past 5yrs their issue has been defense but hey let’s get another center which they didn’t even need. Lock up Holl at 2mill per for the role he plays you could of got someone from league minimum to 1mill to do. Marner was given a ton of money as well. It’s Dubas you should be after no complaining about Pittsburgh’s roster and how they are ok and not struggling with cap problems. Every team is facing it not just Toronto like I said earlier.

The problem is Marner and Tavares for as bad as they wanted to be in Toronto they didn’t give any home town discount. Where as Crosby and Malkin took less to be able to insulate the team with capable wingers and grit.

Their issue is their defense was subpar this year as well as goaltending in the playins. Toronto’s big 3 the only one who really tried and showed up was Matthews. Toronto needs their big 3 to show up. Their defense played decent in the playins.

Lol that’s not true at all Malkin had the highest cap hit in NHL history when he signed his deal. The leafs are following Pittsburgh’s model.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Lol that’s not true at all Malkin had the highest cap hit in NHL history when he signed his deal. The leafs are following Pittsburgh’s model.

He didn't even have the highest cap hit in the league that year.

As for "following the Pittsburgh model", Pens had 2 highly paid players. And both of them had actually performed as top 2 players in hockey at that point. The Leafs have 3 guys making over $10 million and none of them are top 2 players in hockey with multiple awards to their credit.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Shouldn’t this be in hf-leafs section

 

[StreetHawk]

I think we are paying too much for secondary scoring (Kerfoot, Johnson, formerly Kapanen) that doesn't do all that much scoring.

It looks like the Dubas plan is to shed the expensive depth, and look for more value deals like Spezza (Thornton?), search for foreign gems (Mik) and use prospects to free up space at the top

The bottom 6 still play a key role mostly on the PK unless Tavares, Marner and co handle That? Should only expect a certain level of PK efficiency if your PK guys are making sub $800K unless they are all on elc.

 

[nickdawg95]

Ristolanien for Kerfoot Johnson Pitts 1st

Then sign Gudas

Rielly-Risto
Muzzin-Gudas
Dermit-Sandin/Holl

 

[Doc300c]

Ummmm they all happen to be under 10mill each.

9.5 - Malkin
8.7 - Crosby
7.25 - Letang

24.5mill for those three.

Compared to the 33.5 of the Leafs big 3. Almost 10mill in difference.

They all signed under what the going rate at the time for star power was 10mill+. The going rate now is around 11-12.5mill for top level. They were still signing under league highs.

The whole thing that you are getting at about the pandemic and the cap is an issue with everyone. Not just Toronto. It’s just for all the praise Dubas gets he handled the cap space terribly. They’ve had the same results with Tavares that they had without him. He wanted to come to Toronto they should of got a discount. Especially for the past 5yrs their issue has been defense but hey let’s get another center which they didn’t even need. Lock up Holl at 2mill per for the role he plays you could of got someone from league minimum to 1mill to do. Marner was given a ton of money as well. It’s Dubas you should be after no complaining about Pittsburgh’s roster and how they are ok and not struggling with cap problems. Every team is facing it not just Toronto like I said earlier.

The problem is Marner and Tavares for as bad as they wanted to be in Toronto they didn’t give any home town discount. Where as Crosby and Malkin took less to be able to insulate the team with capable wingers and grit.

Their issue is their defense was subpar this year as well as goaltending in the playins. Toronto’s big 3 the only one who really tried and showed up was Matthews. Toronto needs their big 3 to show up. Their defense played decent in the playins.

What was the % of cap used for those 3 when signed vs the leafs 3?

 

[doomscroll]

You'd almost think Pittsburgh didn't do this Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Fortunately for Pittsburgh there was no pandemic causing the anticipated cap escalation to vanish after inking those controls. How dare Dubas not factor COVID-19 into his long-term plans.

Crosby and Malkin were probably the two best centers in the league (fresh off a cup-win) when they entered their massive 5-year deals, and Letang had been with the team for seven years and was their 1D when he signed his current contract. Matthews is incredible and Tavares is obviously a tremendous player, but they don’t come close to the Pens’ duo.

 

[BigHabs]

What was the % of cap used for those 3 when signed vs the leafs 3?

The year those players were signed and the cap was 71.4mill. It was 34% of their cap.

The 3 of Toronto is 41% of their cap at 81.5mill.

7% difference on the cap.

The Penguins also has a more complete roster from top to bottom with role players and grit and skill with the extra cap they had. They would go on to win back to back cups shortly after signing those 3 long term.

The situation the Leafs are in is no defense outside of Muzzin and Rielly. Not enough grit to go with the skill which is needed to play in the playoffs. They will get there but the last thing they want to do is bring on Pietrangelo at 10mill. They will be looking at league minimums and ELCs to fill out their roster atleast for the next 5yrs if they keep Marner / Matthews / Tavares / Nylander and possibly Pietrangelo.

 

[Ciao]

Shouldn’t this be in hf-leafs section

I don't know who outside of Leafs Nation really cares what the Leafs do this offseason.

This thread should be on the Leafs boards.

 

[Ciao]

This is just an open invitation to troll and bash the Leafs.

Based on this article from NHL.com after the Kapanen trade...



How many moves will Dubas make? Of what level will they be?

Here's the sum total of all the posts that are about the Leafs:

If they can find a way to shed some more cap, I think Pietrangelo will be Toronto-bound, which would be huge for them.

I think we are paying too much for secondary scoring (Kerfoot, Johnson, formerly Kapanen) that doesn't do all that much scoring.

It looks like the Dubas plan is to shed the expensive depth, and look for more value deals like Spezza (Thornton?), search for foreign gems (Mik) and use prospects to free up space at the top

Ristolanien for Kerfoot Johnson Pitts 1st

Then sign Gudas

Rielly-Risto
Muzzin-Gudas
Dermit-Sandin/Holl

Expect lots of trash and garbage here -- wrong topic in the wrong place.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

He didn't even have the highest cap hit in the league that year.

As for "following the Pittsburgh model", Pens had 2 highly paid players. And both of them had actually performed as top 2 players in hockey at that point. The Leafs have 3 guys making over $10 million and none of them are top 2 players in hockey with multiple awards to their credit.

Crosby is better then Mathews no doubt, Malkin is better then Tavares although injury prone, Rielly>Letang and the leafs have Marner + better depth imo if we’re talking the year before the penguins picked up Hossa

 

[BHD]

Shouldn’t this be in hf-leafs section

The article makes it sound like there will be more activity than normal from the Leafs, who do have decisions to make.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Crosby is better then Mathews no doubt, Malkin is better then Tavares although injury prone, Rielly>Letang and the leafs have Marner + better depth imo if we’re talking the year before the penguins picked up Hossa

If we're talking about the year the Pens picked up Hossa, then Malkin wasn't injury prone at that point.

If we're talking in general about the Pens' Cup winning years (ie. between 2009 to 2017), then their cap hits aren't even close to the issue the Leafs' cap hits are since only two of them (Crosby and Malkin) were top 10 cap hits. Letang's squarely in the 15-20 range during that time.

I just think it's a misguided idea that the Leafs are "following the Pens' model" because they don't have two generational centers. For that "model" to work, those two players who take up that much of the cap hit have to be the best (or at least top 3) in the entire league. The Leafs are paying guys who aren't that, similar type money. And they're paying more of them that (3 highly paid Leafs versus 2 highly paid Pens).

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Crosby is better then Mathews no doubt, Malkin is better then Tavares although injury prone, Rielly>Letang and the leafs have Marner + better depth imo if we’re talking the year before the penguins picked up Hossa

Rielly isnt better than Letang back then. Letang could also shoot the puck which Rielly cant.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Gotta laugh at Big Habs, guy must spend a lot of time writing up his leaf hate posts. Full essays lol.

 

[Mrfenn92]

The article makes it sound like there will be more activity than normal from the Leafs, who do have decisions to make.

That’s fine what the article is saying but this still belongs in the leafs only thread.
Really no other way to take it.

 

[deca guard]

ship out kerfoot / johnson / anderson pencil in pietrangelo and a new goalie /

 

[BHD]

That’s fine what the article is saying but this still belongs in the leafs only thread.
Really no other way to take it.

This is the trade and free agent section - which is what the article covers. Contact administration if it's that big of an issue.