Management Thread | Edge of the day AFTER Tomorrow

[rypper]

Assuming Elliote means Elias Lindholm (CGY)...

Markstrom, Lindholm, and Nordstrom on a fishing trip.

 

[rypper]

Regardless of where anyone ranked Juolevi, every single ranking had Tkachuk higher then him.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Who cares that Button had him at 43rd or whatever it was...?.(his top 12 rankings of that year are comedy) .The top ten in that 2014 draft is full of disappointments , and Jake is a middle six NHL player..You cant hit home runs all the time...The overall 2014 draft was a good one for the Canucks, but .carry on...

 

[Canucks1096]

Regardless of where anyone ranked Juolevi, every single ranking had Tkachuk higher then him.

Most ranking had Glass and Valardi ahead of Petey as well. I guess Canucks shouldn't of drafted Petey.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Regardless of where anyone ranked Juolevi, every single ranking had Tkachuk higher then him.

Guess we should have picked Gabe Vilardi the following year then?..based on that.

 

[Canucks1096]

If people look at the top 10 picks every year. On average there is at least 3 bust a year ( my definition not a top 4 D, top 6 forward or number 1 goalie )

 

[rypper]

The 2017 draft was all over the place. A handful of different players ranked at the Canucks spot. 2016 EVERY ranking had Tkachuk higher.

 

[Canucks1096]

The 2017 draft was all over the place. A handful of different players ranked at the Canucks spot. 2016 EVERY ranking had Tkachuk higher.

True but that doesn't change the fact that most rankings had Glass and Valardi ahead of Petey. Also it doesn't change the fact 99% of ranking didnt have Petey in the top 5. Look back at the Petey forum, a large percentage od people wasn't happy with the Petey pick.

One argument you're saying Juolevi wasn't the obvious pick so we shouldn't of drafted him. Petey wasn't the obviously pick as well since 99% of the rankings didnt have him in the top 5 That means we shouldn't of drafted Petey base on your argument.

 

[rypper]

True but that doesn't change the fact that most rankings had Glass and Valardi ahead of Petey. Also it doesn't change the fact 99% of ranking didnt have Petey in the top 5. Look back at the Petey forum, a large percentage od people wasn't happy with the Petey pick.

One argument you're saying Juolevi wasn't the obvious pick so we shouldn't of drafted him. Petey wasn't the obviously pick as well since 99% of the rankings didnt have him in the top 5 That means we shouldn't of drafted Petey base on your argument.

My argument is there was no consensus pick in 2017 like there was in 2016.

 

[RobertKron]

Juolevi and Tkachuk played on the same damn team. Like, that’s a of a bit different situation.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

My argument is there was no consensus pick in 2017 like there was in 2016.

Those goalposts must be getting mighty heavy..EP wasn't ranked as high as other players...It certainly suits your narrative though.

 

[rypper]

Those goalposts must be getting mighty heavy..EP wasn't ranked as high as other players...It certainly suits your narrative though.

This isn't hard to grasp. Some 2017 lists had Pettersson higher, some had Glass, some had Vilardi etc.

In 2016 every single list had Tkachuk higher.

 

[Canucks1096]

My argument is there was no consensus pick in 2017 like there was in 2016.

It doesn't matter

You were saying Tkachuk was consensus pick so we should of drafted Tkachuk and not Juolevi.

2017? Yes you're right there are no clear consensus pick however most reports had 2 to 3 players ahead of Petey in a lot of rankings so that means you should think Petey was the wrong pick base on he wasn't one of the few obvious picks at the number 5 spot.

Sorry, your argument doesn't make any sense

 

[rypper]

It doesn't matter

You were saying Tkachuk was consensus pick so we should of drafted Tkachuk and not Juolevi.

Yes.

2017? Yes you're right there are no clear consensus pick however most reports had 2 to 3 players ahead of Petey in a lot of rankings so that means you should think Petey was the wrong pick base on he wasn't one of the few obvious picks at the number 5 spot.

No.

 

[carrotshirt]

It's been said many times: If you're going to go against the consensus, you'd better be right.

Juolevi over Tkatchuk was against consensus, and was clearly wrong. Looks real bad.
Pettersson over Glass was against consensus, and was right. Looks great!

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This isn't hard to grasp. Some 2017 lists had Pettersson higher, some had Glass, some had Vilardi etc.

In 2016 every single list had Tkachuk higher.

From my count Vlardi was higher than EP in 10 out of 12 of the rankings (83%) clearly we should have selected him..

The top 5 consensus
picks are littered with Bennetts,Dal Colles, Puljijarvi's

If EP had been a disappointment....You, and a few others here would be the first ones, carping on about he wasn't the 'consensus pick.'

You cant have it both ways.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I believe that there was a poll here a year or so ago, that had Bennings selections vs the "consensus' selections...Guess who won the poll?

 

[bandwagonesque]

Benning didn't negotiate when he traded for Miller.

 

[Peen]

Jake Virtanen a middle six player?

Are we talking about the same one who played on the fourth line and would have been benched for Leivo or Ferland if healthy?

 

[M2Beezy]

I mean no GM is perefect obviously they all make mistakes, and most GMs do a lotta good moves. Benning made a lotta good moves like the Miller trade worked out, drafting Pettersson and Boeser and Hughes, the Horvat contract, Pearson for Gudbad, but Benning really really sinking a lotta chances for this team with years of awful contracts to players who epicly FAILED to to contribute even CLOSE to their contract: Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle, Baertchi, maybe on Myers and Roussell is debateable

Really sucks that we have to decide on the Toffoli Marky Tanev situation well Eriksson Sutter and Beagle make up MORE than that difference and then some

I guess the excuse for the Eriksson and Sutter disasters was they were early in his GM job but the Beagle one and even the Gagner one still is a real lo blo right now. Really hurts that we will lose one or more of Toffoli Marky and Tanev because of that

 

[geebaan]

So is Markstrom gone or..?

 

[racerjoe]

From my count Vlardi was higher than EP in 10 out of 12 of the rankings (83%) clearly we should have selected him..

The top 5 consensus
picks are littered with Bennetts,Dal Colles, Puljijarvi's

If EP had been a disappointment....You, and a few others here would be the first ones, carping on about he wasn't the 'consensus pick.'

You cant have it both ways.

Looking at Vilardi specifically, it’s clear some teams had information on his health injuries that dropped him to the kings... where he has been injured mostly so far in his young career.

 

[Kryten]

I’m just excited to finally have an off-season where Benning can get creative with the league wide cap crunch and no Linden to overrule him. We will soon see which Calgary Flame is on our team next year; Jankowski, Hamonic, Gustafsson? Stay tuned to find out

 

[Canucks1096]

Benning didn't negotiate when he traded for Miller.

No

The report was Benning met Tampa GM demand. But some people likes to translate that into he didn't negotiate. There phone call conversation is not online so nobody knows exactly what was said. Just because you met someone demand, it doesn't mean you didn't negotiate.

For example Tampa could of said. I want a 1st or a 3rd, Benning come back with a 2nd and 3rd. Tampa said No, Benning offers two 2nd, Tampa said No, Benning now met Tampa demand. So he still could negotiate

Also the conditions for the 1st round pick. If Benning didn't negotiate, the 1st round pick condition would favor Tampa a lot more.

Nice try

 

[bandwagonesque]

No

The report was Benning met Tampa GM demand. But some people likes to translate that into he didn't negotiate. There phone call conversation is not online so nobody knows exactly what was said. Just because you met someone demand, it doesn't mean you didn't negotiate.

For example Tampa could of said. I want a 1st or a 3rd, Benning come back with a 2nd and 3rd. Tampa said No, Benning offers two 2nd, Tampa said No, Benning now met Tampa demand. So he still could negotiate

Also the conditions for the 1st round pick. If Benning didn't negotiate, the 1st round pick condition would favor Tampa a lot more.

Nice try

The Gudbranson trade was poor value.

Sorry, are we not mindlessly repeating inaccurate or ancient grievances with management? I saw the Juolevi stuff and got excited.