Speculation: Management changes expected to occur swiftly after season ends

[New Liskeard]

How is Sean Burke an experienced exec? He's a damn goalie coach

Rob Blake has 1 year more of NHL managerial experience on Hunter/Dubas. Mark Hunter has more hockey managerial experience than Blake and Burke do combined.

(Realized I forgot to quote the post, but this is to the poster that quoted me saying that Dubas/Hunter are too inexperienced and clearly Shanahan agrees since he is going after two experienced guys like Blake and Burke)

According to Cox, it won't be Hunter or Dubas that replaces Nonis, which is actually a good thing. And we may indeed go with an experienced guy, however, to say the current management group, minus Nonis, have "no experience" is simply inaccurate.

How can you not know this? It is clearly stated he is also assistant GM and has worked with an experienced GM for several years in a hands on capacity. Before taking on their respective roles, when did Dubas and Hunter get similar exposure?

 

[deletethis]

As I said when we hired JFJ, every NHL GM has to start his career at sometime. Not the best example.

 

[Stats01]

Why the hell would the Leafs get rid of Nonis as GM but keep him as an advisor? Makes absolutely no sense...if you're going to get rid of him as the GM then let him go all together...why hang onto him at all in any capacity. If we 're going to make changes than make changes don't putter around and change job titles...Adios Dave.

 

[WillNyeTheHockeyGuy]

Well Shanahan hands are not completely clean either, same goes for Dubas(analytics helped us?)

They along with Nonis were all part of a Management group that was worse than Burke's Management group in 09-10 when Leafs finished 29th.

This team under this Mgt group under Shanahan accumulated 68 points. A franchise team worst since OT was introduced. So changes need to occur.

If Blake and Burke are indeed coming on. This will be a start. Along with a new coach and coaching staff.

Also let's once and for all get rid of Belza's bikes. Said this was a problem years ago. Now some are finally agreeing when they first disagreed with me. Kessel was gassed at mid season. Unbelievable.

Pretty sure Shanahan's goal was to prove that this team was faulty and he's done just that. Dubas has practically had nothing to do with the team thus far, he's more so sitting back and learning. Until Shanahan brings in his own players and staff, this whole mess is still Burke/Nonis'.

 

[New Liskeard]

As I said when we hired JFJ, every NHL GM has to start his career at sometime. Not the best example.

You forgot that JFJ was and NHL scout for several years prior to being an NHL GM?

 

[Suntouchable13]

If you're going to preach accountability, then Nonis has to be the first to go. But, if he does not get fired, I don't think he is the one that is going to be driving the bus. So I wouldn't worry about him being the GM. He is not going to be the one that is going to be making the final decisions.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Pretty sure Shanahan's goal was to prove that this team was faulty and he's done just that. Dubas has practically had nothing to do with the team thus far, he's more so sitting back and learning. Until Shanahan brings in his own players and staff, this whole mess is still Burke/Nonis'.

Nope, Shanahan and Dubas are on record with Nonis of having been the Management team with the worst Leafs record since OT was brought in. 68 points when there are 3 point games is pretty pathetic.

This is why we are having a Press conference on Monday. When you are this bad, changes are made.

 

[New Liskeard]

Pretty sure Shanahan's goal was to prove that this team was faulty and he's done just that. Dubas has practically had nothing to do with the team thus far, he's more so sitting back and learning. Until Shanahan brings in his own players and staff, this whole mess is still Burke/Nonis'.

Is that right? Is this the same executive that said the Leafs weren't playing "the right way" in support of his stats, and then when implemented a new system, new coach with the philosophy of playing more of a possession type of game and more stats oriented, the Leafs went into a dive that has never been as bad as this?

 

[Mess]

"Sports is a results oriented business" and the performance of management evaluation review is based on the results of the team's performance on the ice and the expectations set for that particular season.

Leafs spent to the cap ceiling (as one of the highest spending) and rebuilt their bottom 6 with vets in hopes of this being a playoff team. They even fired their coach mid-season when they felt the team might slip out of a playoff spot as advanced stats predicted unsustainable results playing the way they did.

What the team got was an organization embarrassing result free fall in the standings and finishing just above teams assembled to intentionally tank this year. The fans tossed jerseys in disgust at the teams performance on the ice while TV ratings fell and the ACC even didn't sell out while a toxic environment between players and media occurred. This season was being compared to Harold Ballard years in terms of fan suffering and displeasure as among franchise worse times.

This resulted in Ownership approving "scorched earth" initiative as this plan didn't just go off course slightly from exceptions this was a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions that resulted in the logo/brand and image even taking a hit.

So to expect a major overhaul of the management group and coaching, scouting and player development departments in a results oriented business wouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. In fact if Nonis and the coaching staff wasn't removed and replaced it would be the unexpected outcome of this mess.

 

[dubey]

Nonis was fired today according to Kypreos

Coaching staff is gone too

https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/587281995711062016

 

[Suntouchable13]

Is that right? Is this the same executive that said the Leafs weren't playing "the right way" in support of his stats, and then when implemented a new system, new coach with the philosophy of playing more of a possession type of game and more stats oriented, the Leafs went into a dive that has never been as bad as this?

Don't blame Dubas for us having crap players that can only play one way. When introducing a new system, they collapse like a house of cards. He just wanted to expose the team for what it is/was. If you actually think that this was/is a good team, then all the power to you.

 

[deletethis]

You forgot that JFJ was and NHL scout for several years prior to being an NHL GM?

Actually he didn't scout much at all. He worked as a scout for a couple of years with Ottawa (93-95) scouting U.S. colleges then got his law degree, then worked for the NHL front office, then was an assistant GM in St. Louis for several seasons, then he was a VP in St. Louis. That was enough experience to become an NHL GM. There was only one problem: he didn't have the aptitude to do the job.

 

[New Liskeard]

Nonis was fired today according to Kypreos

Coaching staff is gone too

https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/587281995711062016

Link? Sweet Jesus, there better be an NHL executive with experience taking over. Odd to fire him before the draft, and doing leg work at the TDD for the draft. If so, look for Nonis to be hired immediately.

 

[New Liskeard]

Actually he didn't scout much at all. He worked as a scout for a couple of years with Ottawa (93-95) scouting U.S. colleges then got his law degree, then worked for the NHL front office, then was an assistant GM in St. Louis for several seasons, then he was a VP in St. Louis. That was enough experience to become an NHL GM. There was only one problem: he didn't have the aptitude to do the job.

You proved my point yet again. JFJ had actual NHL experience prior to taking the role on in Toronto. What similar NHL experience has both Dumbass and Hunter been exposed to prior to their hires for MLSE?