Viktor Kozlov looked pretty good on the Russian Olympic team, too...doesn't mean that it will translate to the NHL.Krm500 said:Malkin has been more impressed the Ovechkin in the games that I have seen with team Russia. I don't know if he will be as impressive in the NHL but he sure has potential for it.
Ignlia, Modano, Sullivan, Ryan Smith and Jere Lehtinen were all in the top 50 sh toi/pg among forwards.sarcastro said:No prolific scoring forwards were in the top *200* in PK ice time per game last season. The one guy who I think of as a scorer who plays a lot on the PK is Iginla, and he was 226th in PK TOI this season.
If Malkin is really as good on the PK as advertised, and gets top unit PK minutes, he'll be out on the ice 5 or 6 minutes a game in non-scoring situations. Getting 22 minutes a night split between ES and PP and scoring 100 points is one thing. Getting 22 minutes a night with 1/4 of them on the PK would logically decrease your potential scoring output by 20-25%. Doesn't mean he's less valuable to his team, but if he's on an even skill level with Crosby, and Crosby's time is all PP and ES, then you would expect Malkin to get 80 points if Crosby gets 100.
Doesn't that make sense?
Kaizer said:Malkin as 18 years old in lockout season scored more than 18 years old Ovechkin in previous season. Heck, he scored more than 19 years old Ovechkin in lockout season.
Malkin scored almost 110 points in RSL after 3 seasons what is almost 40 points higher than Ovechkin after 4 seasons.
Malkin scored as much points as Ovechkin at WJCs (both played 3 times).
Heck, last season Malkin scored more points than Ovechkin had combined after last 2 seasons.
Yep, he is waaay weaker player than Ovechkin ... definitely
The only opinion in this thread I agree that he is not as explosive as Ovechkin.
Yureeka47 said:Exactly, this is why he IS NOT over hyped. When he puts up these sort of stats, why on earth would anyone not hype him up to be an incredible player?
I expect around 100 points for him next season.. If not, he will be a player that dramatically improves year in and year out.
Were you one of the people betting the same thing about Crosby before this season?Elite09 said:This is what I am talking about. Stats, stats, stats. I guess Corey Perry, Alexander Daigle, etc. You can't base it on stats. Does he have the potential to be good.....of course. But not 100pts in a rookie year good.
To say you expect 100 points in his rookie year is crazy. Name the stakes. I will bet you he will not get 100 points if he plays in the NHL next year.
Pens1566 said:Were you one of the people betting the same thing about Crosby before this season?
Elite09 said:This is what I am talking about. Stats, stats, stats. I guess Corey Perry, Alexander Daigle, etc. You can't base it on stats. Does he have the potential to be good.....of course. But not 100pts in a rookie year good.
To say you expect 100 points in his rookie year is crazy. Name the stakes. I will bet you he will not get 100 points if he plays in the NHL next year.
What are you talking about? More often than not his overall game, his defensive game and his PK ability are mentioned rather than his stats.Elite09 said:This is what I am talking about. Stats, stats, stats. I guess Corey Perry, Alexander Daigle, etc. You can't base it on stats. Does he have the potential to be good.....of course. But not 100pts in a rookie year good.
To say you expect 100 points in his rookie year is crazy. Name the stakes. I will bet you he will not get 100 points if he plays in the NHL next year.
stardog said:What are you talking about? More often than not his overall game, his defensive game and his PK ability are mentioned rather than his stats.
And then you complain about using stats yet you throw down the gauntlet on a bet regarding his stats?
Elite09 said:He is using his stats in other leagues to base his assumption that Malkin will get 100pts in his rookie year in the NHL.
I am saying that awsome stats in leagues other than the nhl don't mean that you will suceed in the nhl. He predicted 100 pts for Malkin in his first year.
I say no. He will not get to 100. Will he be a solid player. Yes. Does he play good defence, yes. Will he contribute to his team, yes. 100pts? No.
DanyHeatley#1Fan said:. Malkin will be real great and probably will win the Calder quite easily but I don't see him scoring as many points as Sid or AO did in their rookie years.
triggrman said:Ignlia, Modano, Sullivan, Ryan Smith and Jere Lehtinen were all in the top 50 sh toi/pg among forwards.
Where did anyone say its a sure thing?DanyHeatley#1Fan said:Because of some posters here I'm starting to really hope that Malkin fails. Come on, how a guy can be considered in the same class as guys like AO and Sidney Crosby who scored 100 points as rookies on super-crappy teams? Malkin as alot of potential and one day he will probably be a star, but 100 points being a sure thing in his rookie season? Never! He has everything to be good yes, he was really good in the Olympics and in the WC but guys like Peltonen and Mark Streit are good in those kind of competition and yet they are no NHL superstar. I just think that in Malkin case we have to wait and see.
He won't get 22-25 minutes a game, Crosby will. Malkin is said to be a real complete player so it is obvious that he'll play the PK and like someone else said playing on the PK doesn't give you points. Malkin will be real great and probably will win the Calder quite easily but I don't see him scoring as many points as Sid or AO did in their rookie years.
Jimmypop316 said:Malkin not getting over 100 points will be a jaw dropper. Especially if he is playing with Crosby
Jacobv2 said:I think Malkin will hit 80 points. The one thing I've noticed about him is that, as great as he is, he's kind of a slow starter.
Til the End of Time said:I think some of the hype surrounding Malkin earlier on was unjustified. I have no problem with the Russian posters and those that have seen Malkin play extensively suggesting he's on the level of Crosby and Ovechkin. But what I do take issue with is Joe Blow from Nowhere, USA, who has only seen Malkin play in a few games or video clips claiming "Malkin is soo much better than Crosby/Ovechkin, just wait 'til he makes it to the NHL." These are the people I don't take seriously; those who don't really have any first-hand knowledge of Malkin and his game, but rely instead on seventh-hand scouting reports.
Alot of the people saying Malkin is better than Ovechkin/Crosby are simply doing so because Malkin is the "sexier" pick. Despite the fact that Ovechkin/Crosby had superb rookie seasons, in the eyes of some at HF, their value if now diminished. It's typical for posters here to choose unknown prospects over established NHLers, and I think that's the case for some people choosing Malkin.
And of course, some of the people hyping Malkin have been Pens' fans. No real surprise there. I think some of their rationale is "if Malkin's going to be better than Crosby, and Crosby is already great, then our team is going to kick ***, and everyone else should be jealous."
So yeah, I would say that a portion of the Malkin hype has been unjustified, simply because it's more "en vogue" to choose to the unknown prospect, and that's what many have done. But like I said, I have no problem with those who have extensive knowledge of actually watching Malkin play hype him up; I'm happy they are here to provide the insight. If they say Malkin can get 100 points, I'll listen. But when Joe Blow or a Pens' fan is saying it... I'm a little skeptical.
I do think Malkin's play at the Olympics has justified the hype somewhat.
You aren't skeptical ... I was skeptical when said that Vanek playing with Dumont and Briere will score about 50 pts. and it will be enough to outscore Ovechkin (playing with Halpern and Zubrus, new country, new culture etc ... )Til the End of Time said:But like I said, I have no problem with those who have extensive knowledge of actually watching Malkin play hype him up; I'm happy they are here to provide the insight. If they say Malkin can get 100 points, I'll listen. But when Joe Blow or a Pens' fan is saying it... I'm a little skeptical.
Til the End of Time said:I think some of the hype surrounding Malkin earlier on was unjustified. I have no problem with the Russian posters and those that have seen Malkin play extensively suggesting he's on the level of Crosby and Ovechkin. But what I do take issue with is Joe Blow from Nowhere, USA, who has only seen Malkin play in a few games or video clips claiming "Malkin is soo much better than Crosby/Ovechkin, just wait 'til he makes it to the NHL." These are the people I don't take seriously; those who don't really have any first-hand knowledge of Malkin and his game, but rely instead on seventh-hand scouting reports.
Alot of the people saying Malkin is better than Ovechkin/Crosby are simply doing so because Malkin is the "sexier" pick. Despite the fact that Ovechkin/Crosby had superb rookie seasons, in the eyes of some at HF, their value if now diminished. It's typical for posters here to choose unknown prospects over established NHLers, and I think that's the case for some people choosing Malkin.
And of course, some of the people hyping Malkin have been Pens' fans. No real surprise there. I think some of their rationale is "if Malkin's going to be better than Crosby, and Crosby is already great, then our team is going to kick ***, and everyone else should be jealous."
So yeah, I would say that a portion of the Malkin hype has been unjustified, simply because it's more "en vogue" to choose to the unknown prospect, and that's what many have done. But like I said, I have no problem with those who have extensive knowledge of actually watching Malkin play hype him up; I'm happy they are here to provide the insight. If they say Malkin can get 100 points, I'll listen. But when Joe Blow or a Pens' fan is saying it... I'm a little skeptical.
I do think Malkin's play at the Olympics has justified the hype somewhat.
chlebak said:Malkin has at least all Ovechkin´s skills and much more. Malkin has sense for combination and good pass in contrast to Ovechkin, who is individualist, I misunderstand, how it is possible, he had 54 asssist.