Speculation: Making cap for next year

[jrgtml67]

So I did the math awhile back.

Matthew's 12
Marner 8 to 9
Nylander 7 (cap saved 6.68)

Even at an 85mill cap we would be over by 6 or 7mill. That's with no Jake, no Kapenen and so on.

It's clear we need to let some guys walk or trade (goat, leivo, johnsson) there will be casualties of having elite players. But whom?

I think outside the obvious, then Kapenen and Dermott. Anyone is fair game

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[LucicAndChong]

if the leafs trade Nylander for an RHD, I dont see why we wouldnt trade Zaitsev, someone will take him for picks which we can partially flip for a solid, cheaper top 4D

 

[Advanced stats]

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Even at an 85mill cap we would be over by 6 or 7mill

Are you says that we'd be over a 85 million dollar cap by 7 million, thus putting us at 92 million, without gardiner signed? I call bs. Show your work and we can discuss it.

From what I've seen, the whole team fits, and one of Jake or marleau has to go.

 

[Liminality]

So I did the math awhile back.

Matthew's 12
Marner 8 to 9
Nylander 7 (cap saved 6.68)

Even at an 85mill cap we would be over by 6 or 7mill. That's with no Jake, no Kapenen and so on.

It's clear we need to let some guys walk or trade (goat, leivo, johnsson) there will be casualties of having elite players. But whom?

I think outside the obvious, then Kapenen and Dermott. Anyone is fair game

Even at 85m we're 6 or 7 over? Can I see your full roster? Are you counting Horton?

 

[Jozay]

Horton doesnt count.

Brown probably gets moved, leivo doesnt come back.

 

[Advanced stats]

It's really not bad at all... I doubt brown even has to go.

 

[jrgtml67]

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Are you says that we'd be over a 85 million dollar cap by 7 million, thus putting us at 92 million, without gardiner signed? I call bs. Show your work and we can discuss it.

From what I've seen, the whole team fits, and one of Jake or marleau has to go.

Um not with nylander alone with him Matthew's at 12 marner at 8.5

 

[A1LeafNation]

Moves won’t happen until Marner deal is signed. We aren’t in cap trouble until we are actually in cap trouble.

 

[Advanced stats]

Um not with nylander alone with him Matthew's at 12 marner at 8.5

Your numbers are off. Definitely.

Here's a very accurate outline, similar to the numbers you provided. It clearly works.

Before I continue, I have to give credit to @I am Canadian. This is all his work that I stole from another thread. Apologies in advance.

A couple of things.
1. If you want to keep Johansson, go head. The op originally traded him for Colin Miller, and Miller's cap hit could go to Johansson.
2. I am Canadian also used 83 million as a cap ceiling, whereas you @jrgtml67 used 85 million, giving us an additional 2 million dollar buffer in this scenario.
3. In this scenario, kapanen was signed to a bridge deal which I think is realistic as well.

There ya go...proof that it works. And theres examples like this floating all over cap friendly. I just really liked this one.

Can we see your sample of how you get to 92 million?

 

[wc17]

How you gonna start a thread like this and not show your work? With cap friendly it should be pretty easy to do...

 

[OVO16]

Connor Brown wont be a leaf. Gardiner will obviously walk. Johnsson will walk.

Thats why I've been advocating to trade Brown or Johnsson for a similar type of wing player with bit more term but cheap

 

[PuckMagi]

The big question mark is whether Marleau waves after July 1st and gets traded to a cap floor team since he only needs to be paid like $1 million in real dollars after his bonus kicks in. That would basically solve all our problems.

 

[OVO16]

The big question mark is whether Marleau waves after July 1st and gets traded to a cap floor team since he only needs to be paid like $1 million in real dollars after his bonus kicks in. That would basically solve all our problems.

Yeah I dont suspect Marleau being a leaf next season.

Gardiner will have to walk, which is gonna suck but he's just too damn good to be trading away this season especially when we're thinking Stanley Cup.

We won't be able to afford Connor Brown either but I think he's a guy we should def try to trade and see if we can get something back for. (Nick Ritchie?)

Not sure on Kapanen and Johnsson. Def dont want Kapanen to go

 

[Stephen]

We have to get rid of Zaitsev and most likely Brown.

 

[BM14]

Marner isn't getting 8+.
Show me the last 4 RFA (key point here, RFA) wingers to get above 8.

 

[jrgtml67]

Your numbers are off. Definitely.

Here's a very accurate outline, similar to the numbers you provided. It clearly works.

Before I continue, I have to give credit to @I am Canadian. This is all his work that I stole from another thread. Apologies in advance.

A couple of things.
1. If you want to keep Johansson, go head. The op originally traded him for Colin Miller, and Miller's cap hit could go to Johansson.
2. I am Canadian also used 83 million as a cap ceiling, whereas you @jrgtml67 used 85 million, giving us an additional 2 million dollar buffer in this scenario.
3. In this scenario, kapanen was signed to a bridge deal which I think is realistic as well.

There ya go...proof that it works. And theres examples like this floating all over cap friendly. I just really liked this one.

Can we see your sample of how you get to 92 million?

How'd we magically get Miller? 1st off and Kapenen will get more then 2.5. It wont work

 

[I am Canadian]

How'd we magically get Miller? 1st off and Kapenen will get more then 2.5. It wont work

Was my post originally, i traded Johnsson plus whatever picks it was a random fantasy deal.

They could re-sign Hainsey and give a little extra to Kapanen on a bridge deal or trade Brown. That's nitpicking small points unless you think Kapanen is getting 5M +

Im curious too see your math, I think you forgot Horton doesnt count.

 

[jrgtml67]

Was my post originally, i traded Johnsson plus whatever picks it was a random fantasy deal.

They could re-sign Hainsey and give a little extra to Kapanen on a bridge deal or trade Brown. That's nitpicking small points unless you think Kapanen is getting 5M +

Im curious too see your math, I think you forgot Horton doesnt count.

Hainsey is done after this yr. Too slow. Kap will get 4 to 4.5. If my numbers are right with cap at 85 we are over but depends what we do with rfa and ufas

 

[HolyCrap]

Hainsey is done after this yr. Too slow. Kap will get 4 to 4.5. If my numbers are right with cap at 85 we are over but depends what we do with rfa and ufas

Show us your numbers and how you did the math. Otherwise this thread is pointless.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Marner isn't getting 8+.
Show me the last 4 RFA (key point here, RFA) wingers to get above 8.

Uhhh I'll take 8 in a heart beat for Marner.

He could get that easily. I'm hoping he tries to go a little friendly at 8x7.75 but he likely gets 500k-750k more

 

[BM14]

Uhhh I'll take 8 in a heart beat for Marner.

He could get that easily. I'm hoping he tries to go a little friendly at 8x7.75 but he likely gets 500k-750k more

That's great that you'll take it. However, you do not set the market.
Name the players please.

 

[Fogelhund]

Hainsey is done after this yr. Too slow. Kap will get 4 to 4.5. If my numbers are right with cap at 85 we are over but depends what we do with rfa and ufas

Where is your math? It seems wrong... post a link to your math, or post the actual math here. Otherwise, this should be closed.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

How'd we magically get Miller? 1st off and Kapenen will get more then 2.5. It wont work

You forgot the part where you show how you got $92m.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

That's great that you'll take it. However, you do not set the market.
Name the players please.

First if we’re talking cap hit we should talk % so we can properly adjust for cap inflation. So that’s a bit less than 8% of the cap for an RFA.

Second I guess we’ll want to take into consideration number of RFA years being bought and number of UFA years when showing comparable.

Third I think the assumption the poster is making is that Marner will continue at the well over PPG pace he’s been on for something like the last 70-90 games of his career, for the remainder of this season.

Do those seem like acceptable parameters to you for finding comparables at this point?

 

[BM14]

First if we’re talking cap hit we should talk % so we can properly adjust for cap inflation. So that’s a bit less than 8% of the cap for an RFA.

Second I guess we’ll want to take into consideration number of RFA years being bought and number of UFA years when showing comparable.

Third I think the assumption the poster is making is that Marner will continue at the well over PPG pace he’s been on for something like the last 70-90 games of his career, for the remainder of this season.

Do those seem like acceptable parameters to you for finding comparables at this point?

Sure, name them.

Let's also put a timeframe of 4 years on it since the cap/salaries have dramatically increased.