Value of: Make a Trade with Ottawa
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But are they decent offers? Dube has top six(I'd say second line myself) and Kylington has top four potential, Hamonic/Brodie add to the right side and a 1st or two are always handy
Brodie isn't a top pair RD. For one he isn't right handed and two if he does play there he is being carried by Giordano. He's also a year away from UFA and being shopped by Calgary so yes Miller is more valuable.
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The Senators don't retain money in trades, so I'm not too concerned about that. They've done it once in their history, but that was part of a deal that ultimately saved them millions of dollars by swapping Dion Phaneuf's contract for Marian Gaborik's insured LTIR contract. Huge cash savings for the Senators there, even counting the retention.
Hypothetically, if the deadline rolls around this year and the Sens can get a 3rd rounder for Boedker at 50% retained or a 7th rounder for him straight up, the Sens would take the 7th round pick and the cash savings. That's just how the Senators are. A few years ago when they traded Brassard to the Penguins, Pittsburgh needed some retention to fit him in. Ottawa had something like 15M in unused cap space, but they steadfastly refused to even entertain the notion of retaining money. They needed a third party broker - Vegas Golden Knights - to make the trade work. The real money cost of retention to the Senators in this trade would have been a few hundred thousand dollars - at most! - but they wouldn't do it.
That's why most of the trades in this thread are wildly unrealistic. Ottawa don't take on money. They pinch every penny.
If the Sens add anybody as a cap floor buffer, it would be an insured contract like David Clarkson with basically zero real dollars owed. Ottawa covets this sort of contract so much that I think they would even give Vegas an asset to get it.
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We can sign Nyquist anyway. We have 12 ish million in cap space and nobody major to sign. Cap space for the sake of cap space - especially in terms of guys we can walk away from at the end of the year if we want to anyway - doesn’t make sense.
If the Leafs can get a return for Zaitsev I have a hard time believing Benning has zero-sum value. He’s worth more than *nothing*.
Tkachuk will be the face of the franchise and captain, can’t see them trading him.
Brodie has one year left and has a NTC. Not overly interested in him, and I doubt he’d be interested in us. Late first rounders don’t excite me much. Hamonic has one year left on his deal. Not the type of players Ottawa should be targeting.
Dube and Kylington may have top six and top four potential, but so do lots of players. Cowen, Weircoch, Puempel and Lazar did too, and we all know how that worked out.
Ottawa would be better off keeping Tkachuk.
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Just chiming in as a sens fan for people who might not follow us too much. While there's no such thing as untouchable, especially with Ottawa trading arguably 5 top line players in the past year, there are definitely some guys that are going nowhere for anything less than an extreme overpayment.
Tkachuk, Chabot, Brannstrom, and Batherson will probably be the team's core (plus next year's hopeful top 5 pick, we really really need a 1C) for the distant future. They're not going anywhere.
White, Brown, Norris, Formenton, Balcers, Wolanin, Jaros and JBD, along with this year's 19OA and 32OA could probably be had but it makes minimal sense for Ottawa to deal prospects during a rebuild.
The sens have other players that could be dealt in the next year or two like Ceci, Tierney, Pageau, and Demelo (I'd keep him personally), and those guys are all worth a 2nd/3rd. I could maybe see a contender getting ants and offering a late 1st for Tierney but with all of our picks and at this point in the rebuild, I'd rather a 2nd/3rd and a prospect.
The cap dump deals are the ones that make sense here. High cap hit but low salary deals is what Eugene wants. Sens could take on some cap hit and get assets back. My favourite is OTT and FLA swapping 1sts in a Luongo/Anderson deal. Clarkson is also a good option. Callahan as well. I'd easily take on Neal if we got Dube too. A big hell no to Lucic and Zaitsev.
Some of these are pretty good, but for the ones asking for Brannstrom/Tkachuk, I see why you would want them, but it's probably going to cost a lot more than you're thinking. Fanbase is already at odds with Melnyk, but he says they're keeping this group of prospects. Trading away a top prospect for meh could legit be the end of
NHL hockey in Ottawa.
Tkachuk, Chabot, Brannstrom, and Batherson will probably be the team's core (plus next year's hopeful top 5 pick, we really really need a 1C) for the distant future. They're not going anywhere.
White, Brown, Norris, Formenton, Balcers, Wolanin, Jaros and JBD, along with this year's 19OA and 32OA could probably be had but it makes minimal sense for Ottawa to deal prospects during a rebuild.
The sens have other players that could be dealt in the next year or two like Ceci, Tierney, Pageau, and Demelo (I'd keep him personally), and those guys are all worth a 2nd/3rd. I could maybe see a contender getting ants and offering a late 1st for Tierney but with all of our picks and at this point in the rebuild, I'd rather a 2nd/3rd and a prospect.
The cap dump deals are the ones that make sense here. High cap hit but low salary deals is what Eugene wants. Sens could take on some cap hit and get assets back. My favourite is OTT and FLA swapping 1sts in a Luongo/Anderson deal. Clarkson is also a good option. Callahan as well. I'd easily take on Neal if we got Dube too. A big hell no to Lucic and Zaitsev.
Some of these are pretty good, but for the ones asking for Brannstrom/Tkachuk, I see why you would want them, but it's probably going to cost a lot more than you're thinking. Fanbase is already at odds with Melnyk, but he says they're keeping this group of prospects. Trading away a top prospect for meh could legit be the end of
NHL hockey in Ottawa.
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What fun is this kinda thread if i cant trade for Brannstrom?
You got something for Stone, or he would have walked free.
Yah so OTT takes on EDM trash for a 4th round pick? Get real bro, it'll cost you at leats a guy like Jones or Benson to pull off something like that
Both Gagner and Benning have negative value, a lot of it
Stop kididng yourself, both of these guys hold negative value to the other 30 GM's in the league, You do not pay 4th lienrs and 7th d-man that kind of $$
Yes, Ottawa got something for Stone. Which means they’re not going to trade that piece.
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Were not trading any of our young prospects.
Deals where Ottawa takes on a bad contract to get a high pick or prospect makes the most sense
Bad contract swaps as well (Ryan Anderson Smith Condon Boedker)
Tierney and Ceci trade chips 25 and under (guys like Chlapik potentially too)
Deals where Ottawa takes on a bad contract to get a high pick or prospect makes the most sense
Bad contract swaps as well (Ryan Anderson Smith Condon Boedker)
Tierney and Ceci trade chips 25 and under (guys like Chlapik potentially too)
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Most players traded these days are either somewhat young rfa or older 1-2 years or less ufas, maybe Ottawa wouldn't be the team that would want them, maybe shop them right out for another few early picks. Good young prospects and any first is better than none lol
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Well “bro,” perhaps you should evaluate the proposal from every angle.
Facts:
- The Sens need to reach the cap floor, correct?
- The Sens aren’t looking to compete (not even Dorion could say they are with a straight face).
- The Sens are the most toxic destination for UFA’s in the league right now.
- Most teams trying to shed contracts have to deal with partial NMC’s.
Everybody thinks the Sens will simply take dead money to reach the floor via a contract like David Clarkson. The guy still has a 16 team NTC, why would he accept a deal to the Sens so he can make less money after tax?
There’s not nearly as many candidates out there for Ottawa to reach the floor as one would like to think.
Give me better options and I’ll believe you. I’m waiting.
They arent THAt far off the floor. THey could also just overpay a couple of their RFA to reach said floor. No reason to take on dead salaries w/out the proper incentive to do so
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Good package, but the Sens are not trading Brady Tkachuk.
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Ottawa won't have trouble meeting the cap for. If you want us to take your trash you better sweeten the pot. a 4th rounder is a complete joke. 2 bad contracts??? Come on
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Ottawa won't have trouble meeting the floor. It's simple math. Read a book.
Gaudette has made Sutter redundant in Vancouver.
4.375, a reasonable 3rd line center with next to zero offensive playmaking ability, but can finish, defend, skate and kill penalties reasonably well. He has won north of 52 percent of his faceoffs here in Vancouver, getting some very important ice time for them as well. He has taken on some injuries lately unfortunately as well, which is where Gaudette has had his openning.
Gaudette has filled his role 5-on-5, Horvat has taken the faceoffs/important ice time situations, and Beagle kills his penalties and takes his defensive faceoffs. More than he isn't worth the money, he simply doesn't have a spot on the team anymore. Are there any bids from Senators fans?
4.375, a reasonable 3rd line center with next to zero offensive playmaking ability, but can finish, defend, skate and kill penalties reasonably well. He has won north of 52 percent of his faceoffs here in Vancouver, getting some very important ice time for them as well. He has taken on some injuries lately unfortunately as well, which is where Gaudette has had his openning.
Gaudette has filled his role 5-on-5, Horvat has taken the faceoffs/important ice time situations, and Beagle kills his penalties and takes his defensive faceoffs. More than he isn't worth the money, he simply doesn't have a spot on the team anymore. Are there any bids from Senators fans?
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Sure will. Beats trading away an ELC player who is already NHL ready and playing really well. Also, 1/2 of Brodie, Stone, Hamonic are moving. We'll be fine, but thanks for your concern.
Artemis Anisimov to Ottawa for a 2020 3rd round pick.
Trade completed after July 1st so the Hawks make Anisimov’s $2M bonus payment.
Hawks free up $4.5M in cap space.
Ottawa gets a useful middle six forward to help them reach the cap floor that will only cost them $5M in actual cas paid over the next two seasons. If Anisimov plays well, Ottawa could very well flip him for a higher return at the trade deadline.
Trade completed after July 1st so the Hawks make Anisimov’s $2M bonus payment.
Hawks free up $4.5M in cap space.
Ottawa gets a useful middle six forward to help them reach the cap floor that will only cost them $5M in actual cas paid over the next two seasons. If Anisimov plays well, Ottawa could very well flip him for a higher return at the trade deadline.
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