Value of: Make a Trade with Detroit

[drw02]

Would Nashville be interested in a swap of Nielsen (+) for Turris?

or

What would it take to cram Nielsen down Nashville's throat for Turris?

Have been thinking about this as well since Mantha and Turris showed some chemistry at WC but haven't been able to convince myself that Nashville would have interest in it. Despite it being less term for Preds, cap savings is basically nothing and the age gap is fairly significant. Feel like Wings would have to retain a good portion and add something of decent value.

 

[obey86]

Zetterberg and/or Franzen to Ottawa.

Have no idea how that would shake out as far as eextras, but it seems like it could be beneficial for both sides.

Red Wings have no need to move Zetterberg or Franzen

 

[obey86]

The only incentive for Detroit is if Stevie Y is planning to do something semi-big in the off-season (this year or next) and needs the added flexibility.

The incentive for the Senators is to give them wiggle room in-season to move on from the UFA's (Anderson and Boedkker mainly).

Doesn't really make sense for Detroit to tack on assets of value (or even any assets in all honesty) but because of the unique situation the Senators find themselves in, they may be willing to take on one of these deals for "free".

Red Wing have 22M to spend this offseason. Next offseason an additional 27M comes off the cap. The only worthwhile players they need to re-sign in this time span are Athanasiou, Mantha, and Bertuzzi (all in the 2020 offseason). Even if those three players all got 6M/year contracts (definitely on the way high end) that still leaves the Red Wings with 31M to spend over the next two offseasons.

They have plenttttttty of cap space to make pretty much any moves they want to make over the next few offseasons.

 

[obey86]

Well aside from someone else posting your loaded at wing. Value wise, Brown is close if not better. The notion that a guy who's career high is 23 points compared to Brown, whos career low is 28, to be not even close is laughable.

It's not laughable at all.

Glendening is a 4th line center with a cap hit of 1.8M, and his job isn't to put up points so the scoring comparison is pretty much irrelevant. Brown is a 3rd/4th line winger with a cap hit of 2.1M, which will increase even more after next season, probably to the 3-4 million range.

I want nothing to do with a 30 point winger for 3M+ - yuck. At best, Brown is an "upgrade" for one season before he's let go because I ain't paying a 30 point winger 3M+. The Wings already have a 25-30 point winger making 3M+ (Darren Helm), don't need another one. No thanks to the deal and my reasoning is hardly laughable.

 

[obey86]

I'm not sure who Detroit makes a good trade partner with. We don't have cap space to take much in the way of contract dumps (though we're not in trouble and don't need to send anything out, either). The only pieces we really have that anyone would want aren't the kind of pieces we ought to be moving. We don't have any vets who are going to get more today than they will at the TDL.

It's hard to imagine the kind of offer someone would put down that would really do anything for the team.

???

The Red Wings have 22M to spend this offseason and only 4 roster spots to fill. They could take on FOUR contract dumps of 5M each if they wanted to.

 

[Outl4w]

Deal

Stevie takes that and runs !

 

[njx9]

???

The Red Wings have 22M to spend this offseason and only 4 roster spots to fill. They could take on FOUR contract dumps of 5M each if they wanted to.

Addressed later, I misread the contracts that were up this year vs. next year. Totally agree with you now that I've properly read the expiration dates.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

 

[izlez]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Svechnikov is very much on the table. However, I'd imagine no one is willing to offer much in return and we'd rather take the gamble on him turning into a player (did you confuse your Svechnikov's?)

Hronek is the only other player completely off the table.

Mantha, Athanasiou, and Bertuzzi are young, good players that are our best shot at a future. They are not "off the table", but would need significant draft picks/young players to pry them away from us.

 

[Ishad]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Picks, and high end talent. AA and Mantha are likely the best assets that would be available for the right price. Most their bad contracts are short enough to ride out. Glendening is low end trade bait.

Larkin definitely not available.

Hronek/Cholowski/Zadina/Veleno/McIsaac/Rasmussen/Bertuzzi probably not available.

 

[ThankGord]

The problem with trading with Detroit is that we're pretty set on middle/bottom players and need top line/pair talent but don't really have the assets to get it unless you're willing to take a package (2nd round picks, prospects, maybe AA or Mantha).

Anybody want Frans Nielsen?

 

[obey86]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Svechnikov? He's far from off the table, might not even be an NHL player long term. Have to see after his injuries.

 

[ThankGord]

Svechnikov? He's far from off the table, might not even be an NHL player long term. Have to see after his injuries.

Yeah, not off the table but his trade value is pretty low right now being so unknown that it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade him.

 

[wingfan]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Svechnikov isn't of the table, he's just been hurt(out all last season) and hasn't really done anything to this point. The only pieces that I absolutely would not move at this point are Larkin, Hronek, Veleno, Zadina, Larsson, 1st round picks. Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Cholowski, McIsaac are all pieces I think could be moved to get D upgrades for a top pairing guy(Trouba or similar) or a legit 2C if we don't draft another C this year at 6.

 

[Syckle78]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Svech is bordering on busto he's not off the table.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Gagner
Edmonton 2nd 2019

For

Turgeon
Saarijarvi
Columbus 5th 2019

---

Callahan
Fortier


For

SJ 3rd 2020
Saarijarvi

Callahan + 3rd for Saarijarvi?

 

[HisNoodliness]

8th overall + Russell for anthansiou and green

I think I'd do it... But it would be hard and really depend on who is there at 8

 

[ricky0034]

Acting like box scores are the only things that determine player quality is actually what's laughable.

yeah lets give Glendening some credit here

he doesn't only not put up points he's also one of the worst possession players in the league

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

8th overall + Russell for anthansiou and green

Let's do this.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Trouba for Mantha,Veleno and 2 2nds

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Trouba for Mantha,Veleno and 2 2nds

That's a crazy overpayment.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

What does Detroit need? What do they want to get rid of? What's completely off the table (besides Larkin and Svechnikov)?

Wings should be using the cap space they have to aggressively take on bad contracts from teams that need to clear space. We're still rebuild and due to the 2017 draft producing less than ideal results, 5 players won't be signed, we're a bit behind we're we should be. Given that our most sellable asset next deadline is Green followed by 3rd pairing/#7 dmen we need to get drafts pick in another fashion. The Wings are still 2-3 years away from competing so there shouldn't be any real buying happening yet. Perhaps if we pick #1 in 2020 that changes things but there's not a super high chance of that happening.

Ideally, the Wings take on a contract like Marleau, Callahan, Russell, etc. where by we take on these bad players and gain assets. So we would get high picks like 1sts or 2nds or top prospects for taking on those contracts and continue our rebuild through the use of efficiently using our cap space.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

Agreed with the above. Detroit is still early in the rebuild waiting for some of these bad contracts to expire and the young players to develop. They are finally in a spot where cap space is an asset to them. Lots of contending teams are going to look to dump salary they should use that to their benefit.

 

[ThankGord]

Trouba for Mantha,Veleno and 2 2nds

 

[McSuper]

The problem with trading with Detroit is that we're pretty set on middle/bottom players and need top line/pair talent but don't really have the assets to get it unless you're willing to take a package (2nd round picks, prospects, maybe AA or Mantha).

Anybody want Frans Nielsen?

Do you want Lucic?