Proposal: Makar + Byram for Seth Jones + Werenski

[Killer Orcas]

Jones and Werenski are indeed both #1 D-men, and this trade would still be grand larceny on behalf of Columbus even if Byram wasn't in the deal. That's how good Cale Makar is.

Larceny is going too far in my opinion but yes I wouldn't do it either if I was Avs.

 

[majormajor]

Larceny is going too far in my opinion but yes I wouldn't do it either if I was Avs.

Let's say the salary cap wasn't a thing, and the only games played were just playoff style games. Then I'd have to think about it. Jones and Werenski give you a lot more size and strength on the puck. They're much better at clearing the net, they're better shot blockers, etc... And between the two of them they score about as much as Makar.

But that's about the only scenario where I wouldn't call it larceny. Makar will be more cost effective and he'll be a dramatically better regular season player.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Let's say the salary cap wasn't a thing, and the only games played were just playoff style games. Then I'd have to think about it. Jones and Werenski give you a lot more size and strength on the puck. They're much better at clearing the net, they're better shot blockers, etc... And between the two of them they score about as much as Makar.

But that's about the only scenario where I wouldn't call it larceny. Makar will be more cost effective and he'll be a dramatically better regular season player.

Makar will always put up more points as he's just more creative however say trade went through. I bet you Makar would score fewer points on Jackets and Jones and Werenski would put up more on Avs. Then again Makar drives a lot of that offense as well. As for just playoff-style games well the goal is to win it all not just the regular season. Hence it's not larceny in my opinion but I'm keeping Makar and then Byram could wind up making this swing, even more for Avs. Three of these guys are studs Makar the best though. Regardless we both agree Avs do not accept this proposal.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I very much appreciate you letting me know this thread isn't worth responding to anymore.

OP has a long track record of bad proposals so I'm not even surprised anymore

 

[Canucks LB]

Jones and Werenski are absolutely not better than Makar, and Byram will be better than both eventually too. Horrible for the avs.

/close

Uhhh, I like Byram, but there's less then a 5% chance that He will be better than Jones. Werenski, Maybe.

 

[majormajor]

Makar will always put up more points as he's just more creative however say trade went through. I bet you Makar would score fewer points on Jackets and Jones and Werenski would put up more on Avs. Then again Makar drives a lot of that offense as well. As for just playoff-style games well the goal is to win it all not just the regular season. Hence it's not larceny in my opinion but I'm keeping Makar and then Byram could wind up making this swing, even more for Avs. Three of these guys are studs Makar the best though. Regardless we both agree Avs do not accept this proposal.

I think Makar would score just as much on any team. No seriously, his scoring rate by linemate is very unusual. He scores at a higher rate when the 2nd and 3rd liners are on the ice than he does when the topline is out there. He's just one of those superstars who scores more when he has the puck more. Talented teammates who expect to have the puck just end up getting in the way.

Werenski and Jones would certainly score A LOT more on the Avs though. Imagine taking a player with Jones' skillset and putting him in a system where he is allowed to try and score on the rush? And having pass options like Mackinnon and Rantanen?

 

[katfude]

And here come the bad trade vultures!

 

[El Travo]

Norris means nothing in playoffs. As Hart, Art Ross and everything, but Conn Smythe...

Where's Seth Jones' Conn Smythe? I must have missed it.

 

[Ararana]

Are you out of your god damn mind? What on earth would compel the Avs to trade a 22 year old kid who is argued as one of the, if not the best, defenseman in the league?

 

[mydnyte]

Columbus becomes young and perspective, Colorado becomes big, tough defensively and better suited for playoffs.

you are trading better 'now' for younger.
Werenski in my opinion is better than Jones and Byram i doubt reaches the level of either. Makar doesnt make up for the gap, save age and shiny new toy syndrome.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Hell yeah let’s do it

 

[CalvertsaBeast]

This may be a hot take, but as of right now, the only player I'd trade Makar for in the entire NHL is McDavid.

I don't think I would even do that. Makars' defensive game is just too much and he is just going to get better.

 

[mydnyte]

I don't think I would even do that. Makars' defensive game is just too much and he is just going to get better.

it would be silly for Col to add the 2 older and more expensive players right now, unless they feared losing one due to cap crunch

 

[Canuck86]

This is laughable....Sakic is a Smart GM not an Idiot, guy would get fired and run out of the City if he pulled the trigger on that deal.

Jones and Werenski are very good D but Byram and Makar are younger and cheaper contracts that have many more RFA years of controlability.

 

[Viqsi]

You know Werenski is in Columbus right?

You should wait until he even makes it to Detroit before saying no on Werenski’s behalf.

Well, in the loosest technical sense, he could still be right. After all, Columbus is the NHL team geographically closest to Detroit excepting the Red Wings themselves; we're a rougly-two-hour drive away. (Next come the Leafs and Blackhawks and Sabres in some order.) So we arguably fall under "close to Detroit".

 

[Grantham]

Makar is in untouchable territory. I think they do Timmins and a 1st before they ever bring up Makar. IMO he was the best Avs player in the series with Vegas.

But yeah salary cap wise this just doesn’t work.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I wouldn’t trade Makar by himself for Jones and Werenski.

 

[Avaholic29]

Jones wants out and is expiring. Would certainly trade girard + for Jones though.

 

[majormajor]

you are trading better 'now' for younger.
Werenski in my opinion is better than Jones and Byram i doubt reaches the level of either. Makar doesnt make up for the gap, save age and shiny new toy syndrome.

I was in agreement until that last sentence. Makar covers the gap and then some. If you're still talking about shiny toys then you need to open your eyes. That is one of the league's best players, regardless of position.

 

[Linds]

Jones wants out and is expiring. Would certainly trade girard + for Jones though.

Only with an extension

 

[Avaholic29]

Only with an extension

100%. I think the connection with Joe and how well built our team is, he’d be into it.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

I bet, you think, Makar is better, than Pietrangelo as well...

The wind in which people blow; yes Makar is absolutely better, all things considered.

I could argue Makar is more untouchable, to their respective teams, than MCDAVID at this point.