Speculation: Madison Bowey

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

RFA. 1 million last year and Detroit's 2nd highest scoring defenseman.

Re-sign?
Trade?
Not qualify?

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[Bondurant]

Good kid. Probably not worth the money. Especially if the cap decreases.

 

[lilidk]

Play him as forward

 

[Shaman464]

Let him walk. He scored, but he was a disaster in the defensive zone.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

If we carry 8D he can provide offense on 3rd pair. There was talk of Seider not making the team right out of camp in 20-21. Also depends on if we sign a UFA (Brodie/Krug) or ?

DDK/UFA-Hronek
DDK/UFA-Seider
Nemeth-Lindstrom

Bowey rotates w/Lindstrom & any injuries in top4.
Biega-RW/GR

 

[bedtime20]

Start him in the AHL next year if he does not play well try to trade him.

 

[MBH]

Let's take a look at some numbers
{ignores groans}
Red Wings defensemen.
5on5 - 200 minutes.
Points/60
1. Bowey 1.11
2. Hronek .71
3. Daley .51
4. Green .49
5. Nemeth .37
6. Biega .25
7. Cholowski .11

CF%
1. Nemeth 49.11
2. Green 47.01
3. Hronek 46.6
4. Cholowski 46.48
5. Biega 43.35
6. Bowey 44.12
7. Daley 40.95

Goals Against/60
1. Biega 2.12
2. Nemeth 2.41
3. Green 3.0
4. Cholowski 3.0
5. Bowey 3.54
6. Hronek 3.60
7. Daley 3.65

Goals For/60
1. Bowey 2.51
2. Hronek 1.91
3. Nemeth 1.63
4. Daley 1.62
5. Green 1.47
6. Cholowski 1.39
7. Biega 1.36

Both Bowey and Hronek benefit from a higher than average team shooting percentage when they are on the ice.
1. Bowey 9.53
2. Hronek 7.11
3. Daley 6.61
4. Nemeth 5.83
5. Biega 5.46
6. Green 5.44
7. Cholowski 5.03

You could argue, I guess, that Bowey and Hronek create good scoring chances, so that's why the save percentage his higher.... But I don't know.
There's a chance Bowey's points/60 and goals for/60 are flukey.

On the other hand, he looks really good at times in the Ozone.

And to be fair, while he makes a lot of stupid, bone-headed plays, so does EVERYONE on the defense.

I think the contract to Biega could be a sign that Bowey's done. But I really don't see any big reason to dump him.

 

[Henkka]

Worth to keep.

And could be least important to lose in expansion draft.

 

[izlez]

Start him in the AHL next year if he does not play well try to trade him.

Guys that are playing bad in the AHL probably don't have much trade value

 

[jkutswings]

Let's take a look at some numbers.

The problem with any stat per 60 minutes is that it ignores difficulty of opponent. Hronek consistently has tougher matchups than Bowey, but I expect Hronek to improve over the next 2-3 years, while I don't see a reason to expect the same from Bowey.

I was fine with him as a throw-in to the trade. Some long shots pan out and some don't. Assuming Detroit can find even one actual NHL defenseman in free agency, absolutely let him walk.

 

[Retire91]

I liked Bowey and had high hopes but I don't think he is much more than a serviceable lower pairing defenseman. I won't lose any sleep over what happens to his contract. I wouldn't expect him to get $$ or term if he sticks around.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I personally would re-sign him and send him to GR. Just because we are bad doesn't mean we don't need organizational depth.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Let him walk. He scored, but he was a disaster in the defensive zone.

I so agree with you. He is a player that makes your team worse IMO... let him walk

 

[MBH]

The problem with any stat per 60 minutes is that it ignores difficulty of opponent. Hronek consistently has tougher matchups than Bowey, but I expect Hronek to improve over the next 2-3 years, while I don't see a reason to expect the same from Bowey.

I was fine with him as a throw-in to the trade. Some long shots pan out and some don't. Assuming Detroit can find even one actual NHL defenseman in free agency, absolutely let him walk.

Yeah, I get it. Hronek played first pairing minutes much of the year.
But I still think that Bowey was pretty dynamic offensively at times.
THe other thing is, Bowey is about to be 25. I think he'll get better. But I don't think he's as unfinished as Hronek and Cholowski (22), obviously.

 

[13to40]

If we have a kid or two ready from GR, there is no reason to keep him. At this point in time he is a roster fill; until one of our younger prospects are ready to make the next step. Is he horrible? No. Is he an all star? No. He’s a serviceable NHL bottom pair defender and they are a dime a dozen in this league.

 

[RedWingsfan55]

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing him back. 1 or 2 year deal, really there's nothing to lose.

 

[RedWingsfan55]

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing him back. 1 or 2 year deal, really there's nothing to lose.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Let's take a look at some numbers
{ignores groans}
Red Wings defensemen.
5on5 - 200 minutes.
Points/60
1. Bowey 1.11
2. Hronek .71
3. Daley .51
4. Green .49
5. Nemeth .37
6. Biega .25
7. Cholowski .11

CF%
1. Nemeth 49.11
2. Green 47.01
3. Hronek 46.6
4. Cholowski 46.48
5. Biega 43.35
6. Bowey 44.12
7. Daley 40.95

Goals Against/60
1. Biega 2.12
2. Nemeth 2.41
3. Green 3.0
4. Cholowski 3.0
5. Bowey 3.54
6. Hronek 3.60
7. Daley 3.65

Goals For/60
1. Bowey 2.51
2. Hronek 1.91
3. Nemeth 1.63
4. Daley 1.62
5. Green 1.47
6. Cholowski 1.39
7. Biega 1.36

Both Bowey and Hronek benefit from a higher than average team shooting percentage when they are on the ice.
1. Bowey 9.53
2. Hronek 7.11
3. Daley 6.61
4. Nemeth 5.83
5. Biega 5.46
6. Green 5.44
7. Cholowski 5.03

You could argue, I guess, that Bowey and Hronek create good scoring chances, so that's why the save percentage his higher.... But I don't know.
There's a chance Bowey's points/60 and goals for/60 are flukey.

On the other hand, he looks really good at times in the Ozone.

And to be fair, while he makes a lot of stupid, bone-headed plays, so does EVERYONE on the defense.

I think the contract to Biega could be a sign that Bowey's done. But I really don't see any big reason to dump him.

You could add ZS & QoC%'s for more perspective, but I appreciate the #'s listed.

 

[MBH]

You could add ZS & QoC%'s for more perspective, but I appreciate the #'s listed.

I always like Zone Starts... but I've been told over and over they don't matter.
I've personally never quite understood QoC. I get it that, yeah, one pairing gets to face Crosby and the other pairing gets leftovers.
But is it based on CF? GF? Does some third liner who plays on Crosby's wing get credit for being Crosby-level? How much does QoC change when it's Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist compared to Blueger-Crosby-Hornqvist.
How much better or worse is that than Zucker-Malkin-whoever, etc.

 

[Oddbob]

Not qualify. Putting up a few points doesn't make up for being a train wreck pretty much everywhere else!

 

[Oddbob]

Let's take a look at some numbers
{ignores groans}
Red Wings defensemen.
5on5 - 200 minutes.
Points/60
1. Bowey 1.11
2. Hronek .71
3. Daley .51
4. Green .49
5. Nemeth .37
6. Biega .25
7. Cholowski .11

CF%
1. Nemeth 49.11
2. Green 47.01
3. Hronek 46.6
4. Cholowski 46.48
5. Biega 43.35
6. Bowey 44.12
7. Daley 40.95

Goals Against/60
1. Biega 2.12
2. Nemeth 2.41
3. Green 3.0
4. Cholowski 3.0
5. Bowey 3.54
6. Hronek 3.60
7. Daley 3.65

Goals For/60
1. Bowey 2.51
2. Hronek 1.91
3. Nemeth 1.63
4. Daley 1.62
5. Green 1.47
6. Cholowski 1.39
7. Biega 1.36

Both Bowey and Hronek benefit from a higher than average team shooting percentage when they are on the ice.
1. Bowey 9.53
2. Hronek 7.11
3. Daley 6.61
4. Nemeth 5.83
5. Biega 5.46
6. Green 5.44
7. Cholowski 5.03

You could argue, I guess, that Bowey and Hronek create good scoring chances, so that's why the save percentage his higher.... But I don't know.
There's a chance Bowey's points/60 and goals for/60 are flukey.

On the other hand, he looks really good at times in the Ozone.

And to be fair, while he makes a lot of stupid, bone-headed plays, so does EVERYONE on the defense.

I think the contract to Biega could be a sign that Bowey's done. But I really don't see any big reason to dump him.

What about bad plays per 60? He leads this by a lot on our team, with Daley in second.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I always like Zone Starts... but I've been told over and over they don't matter.
I've personally never quite understood QoC. I get it that, yeah, one pairing gets to face Crosby and the other pairing gets leftovers.
But is it based on CF? GF? Does some third liner who plays on Crosby's wing get credit for being Crosby-level? How much does QoC change when it's Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist compared to Blueger-Crosby-Hornqvist.
How much better or worse is that than Zucker-Malkin-whoever, etc.

I read that Zone Starts OFD & DZ only make up ~10-15%+, the rest is neutral zone, but most are on the fly, which makes total sense. Still they do factor in, to what degree is a question for the experts...Same with QoC.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Madison Bowey... He is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

 

[MBH]

What about bad plays per 60? He leads this by a lot on our team, with Daley in second.

LOL.
I agree.
But I'll be honest. I thought Hronek, particularly over the last 30-40 games, was guilty about as much as anyone.
For all the talk about Cholo's inept defensive play - his defense was no worse than Hronek's or Bowey's. The weird thing about Cholo is that 1) he can't produce at 5 on 5. and 2) The team can't score when he's on the ice.

Like, Here's my REAL grade for the Wings vs what seems like consensus.
Offensively
player Real vs consensus
Cholo F vs C or B-
Hronek B vs A
Bowey B+ vs C
Daley C vs F
Biega F vs C-
Green D- vs B
Nemeth D vs D

And now defense
player real vs consensus
Nemeth B vs B
Green C- vs D
Cholo C- vs F
Bowey F vs F
Hronek D- vs C+
Daley F vs D

 

[Snuggs]

I'd just do the qualifier, and send him to the AHL for the start with the hope he develops enough to come up at some point. Even if he plays the whole year in the AHL he'll help develop some of the younger guys that'll be there. If he doesn't come up to the NHL it's because we got players better than him, which is a good thing. Kind of walking the line here giving him a chance but kind of trying to bury him through depth.

Zetterbergs post was solid. Bowey bothers me cause I see potential but... idk I see too many consistent failures too.