Proposal: MacKinnon for McDavid

[dahrougem2]

First thought in my head too

 

[lonelybadger]

Depends what was offered for them.

You can have all the best forwards in the league but if your defence is still half-full of AHL-calibre guys, you need to make some adjustments.

Johnson, Barrie, are a great 1-2 down the right side, but Guenin/Holden/Hejda/Stuart down the left side does not a cup make

 

[missionAvs]

Avs fan here saying yes, I would definitely trade Mackinnon for McDavid.

 

[Former Ladder]

Johnson, Barrie, are a great 1-2 down the right side, but Guenin/Holden/Hejda/Stuart down the left side does not a cup make

But in 3-4 years we could have Bigras, Geertsen, and maybe Siemens down the left if they all pan out. Or two of the three plus a UFA.

 

[Charlatan]

No question about it. Id love to have Mak here forever but you don't pass on a generational talent.

Never going to happen but you couldn't pass on that.

 

[Stories]

But in 3-4 years we could have Bigras, Geertsen, and maybe Siemens down the left if they all pan out. Or two of the three plus a UFA.

Statistically improbable, but man, we'd be set if all 3 guys did.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Statistically improbable, but man, we'd be set if all 3 guys did.

Sometimes I wonder if 2 of those 3 could already hold down the left side better than the mess we have there (Hejda, Guenin, Holden). I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[TheStranger]

Sometimes I wonder if 2 of those 3 could already hold down the left side better than the mess we have there (Hejda, Guenin, Holden). I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all.

Siemens would easily be better than Guenin

 

[The Kingslayer]

But in 3-4 years we could have Bigras, Geertsen, and maybe Siemens down the left if they all pan out. Or two of the three plus a UFA.

i'll be glad if 2/3 play regular on our team. Kinda takes me back to the days of Gaunce and Co. How we all assumed he was going to be a regular.

 

[TheStranger]

i'll be glad if 2/3 play regular on our team. Kinda takes me back to the days of Gaunce and Co. How we all assumed he was going to be a regular.

Colby Cohen is better than Shattenkirk bruh

 

[agentblack]

It'll be interesting to see where McDavid lands

I mean my concern for him is that if he goes to ARZ, TOR, BUF he is immediately going to be slotted in as a no.1 C esp in BUF
Mack and Seth Jones were so supported on their respective teams that if their spots were reversed I think they would have struggled mightily

I mean is ARZ going to add some serious offensive support and BUF just cant score to save their lives

As much as I hate to seem here there, he would do well offensively in EDM.

 

[Thepoolmaster]

I have them both in my nhl 15 dynasty

 

[The Kingslayer]

Colby Cohen is better than Shattenkirk bruh

Im just glad he didnt amount to anything after trading him for Hunwick haha

 

[InjuredChoker]

I have them both in my nhl 15 dynasty

last time i played, i won the SC and had every teams first rounder..

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

But in 3-4 years we could have Bigras, Geertsen, and maybe Siemens down the left if they all pan out. Or two of the three plus a UFA.

In 4 years this team will be trending down. I hope I'm wrong.

Edit:

Okay maybe 5-6. Our key guys are stilooking so young.

 

[InjuredChoker]

In 4 years this team will be trending down. I hope I'm wrong.

interested to hear why you think that?

 

[TheStranger]

In 4 years this team will be trending down. I hope I'm wrong.

Edit:

Okay maybe 5-6. Our key guys are stilooking so young.

Pretty damn hard to say how the team will look in 5-6 years. We may not have the foundation in place for it yet, but draft choices , proper trading and signings can basically create an entirely new competing team in that time.

If the most of our stars remained the same. We'd still have a Mackinnon(24), Duchene(30), Landeskog (28),O'Reilly(30) (unlikely), Barrie(29), Johnson (31)...even if not hopefully decent trading doesn't leave those as major holes in the line-up. I would also expect atleast 2-3 nhl players from 5 drafts. Plus we have Siemens, Bigras, Geertsen and Bleackley hopefully turning out for us.

So long story short, just because the team might be starting to be taken apart by then compared to now, doesn't mean it will necessarily be a worse team.

 

[dahrougem2]

It'll be interesting to see where McDavid lands

I mean my concern for him is that if he goes to ARZ, TOR, BUF he is immediately going to be slotted in as a no.1 C esp in BUF
Mack and Seth Jones were so supported on their respective teams that if their spots were reversed I think they would have struggled mightily

I mean is ARZ going to add some serious offensive support and BUF just cant score to save their lives

As much as I hate to seem here there, he would do well offensively in EDM.

I hope he lands in Edmonton just because I'd love to see what management does to screw up the team after drafting him. Probably something stupid like trading Nugent-Hopkins and then making McDavid/Draisaitl the top 2 centres on the team next season lol.

He'll probably end up in Toronto, though. It's just too good of a story to not happen. The Ontario boy who grew up cheering for the Leafs and is the best prospect since Crosby going to Toronto, while the American kid who if in most other drafts would probably be a good bet to go 1st overall going to the American team, Buffalo. Builds an instant rivalry, too. Leafs/Sabres already hate each other, this would add immense fuel to the fire since both teams would essentially be starting from the ground up.

 

[TheStranger]

Until Edmonton fixes their other gaping holes, they can add 3 McDavids and they'll still sit outside the playoffs

 

[chet1926]

Why trade one for the other, when we are just going to win the lottery and have both on the same line.

 

[dahrougem2]

Until Edmonton fixes their other gaping holes, they can add 3 McDavids and they'll still sit outside the playoffs

That management group is just so incompetent it's mind boggling. We thought we had it rough with the previous regime over the last couple years. I would hate being an Oilers fan. It's depressing talking hockey with them here in Edmonton because they know almost every year the last 10 years, their season is usually over by November/December.

 

[cgf]

It'll be interesting to see where McDavid lands

I mean my concern for him is that if he goes to ARZ, TOR, BUF he is immediately going to be slotted in as a no.1 C esp in BUF
Mack and Seth Jones were so supported on their respective teams that if their spots were reversed I think they would have struggled mightily

I mean is ARZ going to add some serious offensive support and BUF just cant score to save their lives

As much as I hate to seem here there, he would do well offensively in EDM.

Buffalo won't Oiler him. That's why murray has such a clue for ROR. Girgs will help them ease their young Cs in, but they're still looking for someone to play the stastny role for them. If they can't get ROR they'll look elsewhere and I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Vermette to a fat 3 year deal.

 

[cgf]

In 4 years this team will be trending down. I hope I'm wrong.

Edit:

Okay maybe 5-6. Our key guys are stilooking so young.

? This team won't even start its peak for another 2-3 years. Do you really think their window will only be 3 seasons?

 

[R S]

New insider article out on ESPN today with this exact same topic. Actual NHL GM's basically suggest the idea of trading away the 1st pick is laughable, let alone doing a 1 for 1 straight up for MacKinnon.

The fact that this poll is only at 76% shows that people become too attached to players.

I wouldn't hesitate to wager any sum of money that all 30 NHL GM's would rather have McDavid.

 

[cgf]

I'm excited to see McDavid prove me wrong, but I'll remain skeptical that he really is on a different tier than the MacK we saw in the mem cup or down the stretch + playoffs last year until I see McD doing it in the NHL.

Now if I had that pick, I wouldn't trade it away for MacK either, even feeling the way I do. Likely cause I'd just trust my scouts and it seems likely they'd favor McD, but also because that's not the kind of trade you can make unless everyone in your organization shares my view of MacKinnon and is skeptical of McDavid; and even then you can't do it 1 for 1. The fanbase might revolt, all of the great hype teams like Buffalo and Arizona are building about their futures would evaporate, and unless McDavid busted (not just failed to match the hype like Tavares) or MacK lead you to multiple cups quickly, you couldn't come away from a 1 for 1 trade without it hurting your resume/reputation/image.

So I understand no GM actually making such a trade if in position to do it...but I'm still not sold that the on ice results between mack and mcdavid won't be a lot more crosby/malkin or sakic/foppa than Ovy/nash. And if that does prove to be true, I just can't get on board with giving away the guy who's already shown that his skills are special against the pros and spent two seasons growing with the rest of our core and fitting in nicely...plus he's a year older and closer to the rest of our core. They're already sorta gunna have to wait for MacK and Bigras/Siemens/Gaertsen, if we swapped MacK for McDavid that's even longer we'd have to wait until he's adjusted to the NHL and gained the experience he'll need for us to be cup contenders with him.


Now I may have gone from under-rating mack before the mem cup, to over-rating him after last season because of how he blew me away and how crazy young he is, as MacK has only made me more certain that he'll be a perennial top 5 player who's the best in the NHL for multiple seasons in his career. But even with his struggles this season, I was really happy to see him keep plugging away and making big progress on the defensive side of the puck while figuring out how to adjust to the adjustments the league made to him offensively. If he could've stayed healthy I'm certain he would've gone on an absolute tear to finish the season closer to 25 goals than to 20, and with ~35 assists for a 55-60 point season despite all of his struggles...at least. Everything he'd been learning was coming together plus his tendency to crank his play up as the games get more important was going to lead to a monster for these final ~20 games that he'll miss.