Luke Glendening "shut down player" BS

[splot]

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2015/12/2/9830650/the-glendending-draws-near

I have a huge issue with trying to make an argument for that Miller/Glendening is getting lot of offensive zone starts based on changes not happening during the faceoff. The most likely scenario is that the puck has been dumped into the offensive zone and the opposing team either have or gets possession of the puck very soon. In this case a defensive zone start is preferable since you already got the puck. I still maintain that they have by far the worst zone starts on the team, this is a perfect example of using stats to prove a point without taking it into context.

The main problem I got with that line (especially when they put people like Pulk or Richards there) is that they aren't the greatest at takeaways. Helm fits so much better on that line and makes it much harder for them to get through the neutral zone.

 

[Flowah]

Bickell progressed at the right time and got $4m a year for it. I figured Tatar and Nyquist would get going and finish with 25-30 goals on the year, but I'm not sold on Sheahan ever being much more than he is, though what he is should at least be a decent third line center. Which we need right now.

I was talking about Tatar deserving more IT.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

I have a huge issue with trying to make an argument for that Miller/Glendening is getting lot of offensive zone starts based on changes not happening during the faceoff. The most likely scenario is that the puck has been dumped into the offensive zone and the opposing team either have or gets possession of the puck very soon. In this case a defensive zone start is preferable since you already got the puck. I still maintain that they have by far the worst zone starts on the team, this is a perfect example of using stats to prove a point without taking it into context.

The main problem I got with that line (especially when they put people like Pulk or Richards there) is that they aren't the greatest at takeaways. Helm fits so much better on that line and makes it much harder for them to get through the neutral zone.

The main issue is being hemmed up in their own zone. Which happens practically exclusively.

 

[Perfect Human]

Given Larkin's speed, and that a couple of players may "be out for a while" per Blash, what about combining speed with larks and glennie and helm?

I know that speed isnt everything, but there could be some sort of cohesion and fast, dynamic plays created with that kind of speed.

 

[FissionFire]

Hell no. Anything that puts Glendening on the ice more, especially with your best player, is just stupid.

 

[Perfect Human]

Hell no. Anything that puts Glendening on the ice more, especially with your best player, is just stupid.

well then you can roll 4 lines better

Z-Abby-AA
Rich-Dats-Jurcs(dont like it, but if pulky and miller out)
Tats-She-Gus
Larks-Glennie-Helm

It reduced larkin's ice time, but it makes the lines more even

 

[aar000n]

well then you can roll 4 lines better

Z-Abby-AA
Rich-Dats-Jurcs(dont like it, but if pulky and miller out)
Tats-She-Gus
Larks-Glennie-Helm

It reduced larkin's ice time, but it makes the lines more even

Swap lark and aa and i like it.

 

[Henkka]

I don't know what fairytale you are living in but Blashill takes plenty of criticism around here all the time.

Raw numbers:

Babcock, 976 career NHL games, 1213 points.
.621 points percentage

Blashill, 25 career NHL games, 32 points.
.615 points percentage

Pretty much it's the same voice.

 

[obey86]

Given Larkin's speed, and that a couple of players may "be out for a while" per Blash, what about combining speed with larks and glennie and helm?

I know that speed isnt everything, but there could be some sort of cohesion and fast, dynamic plays created with that kind of speed.

You want to put Larkin on the 4th line? You kidding me?

 

[Henkka]

You want to put Larkin on the 4th line? You kidding me?

4th line plays most!

 

[Perfect Human]

I mean, obviously Larkin will not get off of the first line. But if we are trying to jump start secondary scoring like we tried tonight with Rich on 4th, then I think Larkin would help them better. AA is good and fast. He can learn from everyone on the team, but he can learn most from abby. He has a similar build anf could potentially bud into a faster, more lethal forward than Abby

 

[Perfect Human]

You want to put Larkin on the 4th line? You kidding me?

do you think that our third line is a real third line?

 

[silkyjohnson50]

4th line plays most!

They'll do it to manage his future number and the cap.

 

[Winger98]

I was talking about Tatar deserving more IT.

sorry, my mistake. Never really against giving Tatar more IT, but if we're married to the idea of having a piano puller on every line, or if Richards can't move back to center and be effective, etc., it gets difficult. Do we move Larkin to the third line and off Z's wing? Who is the piano puller with richards/Datsyuk?

If Sheahan continues playing better, though, moving Tatar up becomes moot, because we can give that third line more IT, while scaling back Z/D's lines a bit. And scaling back Glendening's a lot.

 

[redwingsphan]

4th line plays most!

They really don't though. It's a myth, just like them being a shutdown line is a myth.

 

[Flowah]

sorry, my mistake. Never really against giving Tatar more IT, but if we're married to the idea of having a piano puller on every line, or if Richards can't move back to center and be effective, etc., it gets difficult. Do we move Larkin to the third line and off Z's wing? Who is the piano puller with richards/Datsyuk?

If Sheahan continues playing better, though, moving Tatar up becomes moot, because we can give that third line more IT, while scaling back Z/D's lines a bit. And scaling back Glendening's a lot.

Sheahan's not very flashy on that line but I think he's important to it. He's skilled enough to keep up with their offensive style, he's responsible enough to let them do their thing without having to worry too much about defense, he's big and strong enough to win board battles and get the puck back. He's definitely no passenger on the line. I very much doubt Andersson could be doing this. Maybe Richards.

 

[TheMule93]

Sheahan's not very flashy on that line but I think he's important to it. He's skilled enough to keep up with their offensive style, he's responsible enough to let them do their thing without having to worry too much about defense, he's big and strong enough to win board battles and get the puck back. He's definitely no passenger on the line. I very much doubt Andersson could be doing this. Maybe Richards.

Sheahan is one of the best players on our team at controlling the puck along the boards and cycling it with tats/goose.

He's almost Zetterberg like when he's got guys draped all over his back, still carrying the puck

 

[obey86]

do you think that our third line is a real third line?

I don't want to put Larkin on the 3rd line either. The point still stands.