Value of: Lucic (retained) & Bennett to Boston

[Aceboogie]

If you wanted the dynamic tandem of Lucic and Bennett, I am sure you could just reach into your pocket and give whatever coins/lint/kleenex you have in exchange

 

[BlackFrancis]

What a bizarre take. Lucic has played an effective role as a middle six left winger in typically a shutdown role. His poise with the puck has helped his line break out of the defensive zone more often than not, and he's one of his team's leaders in both goals scored and possession metrics.

I'm not sure which Milan Lucic you've been watching, but from the sounds of it you haven't watched him at all and probably just dug up some plus-minus stat that means SFA.

That's odd. I took a peek at the Flames board a few days ago to see if you guys were itching to get rid of Giordano and wound up reading scads of irritable posts about how dreadful Lucic's defense was.

 

[Tkachuky]

Oilers fans in here of course chiming in as usual.
Lucic is overpaid no doubt, but he’s playing well and fits Sutter’s system.

 

[North Man]

Salty Oiler fans just mad that Lucic has more goals than 80% of their roster. How's Neal looking at 6.5 million? Cheers for the 3rd rounder btw

 

[Aceboogie]

Salty Oiler fans just mad that Lucic has more goals than 80% of their roster. How's Neal looking at 6.5 million? Cheers for the 3rd rounder btw

The sad thing is that Lucic probably does have more value Bennett

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Salty Oiler fans just mad that Lucic has more goals than 80% of their roster. How's Neal looking at 6.5 million? Cheers for the 3rd rounder btw

Neal isnt costing us massively at 5on5.

So its looking pretty good.

Wasn't that the argument last year? using Neal's plus minus against him?

 

[North Man]

Neal isnt costing us massively at 5on5.

So its looking pretty good.

Thats because he doesn't get any ice time. Cause he sucks. If Lucic was such a detriment 5v5 he wouldnt be playing on our shutdown defensive line. He's made a couple bad giveaways, sure, but he's a physical force and probably the toughest guy in the league right now. Neal is barely trusted to play 4th line minutes, 6.5 million for that guy is a joke when he brings nothing to the table other than McDavid PP tap ins.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Thats because he doesn't get any ice time. Cause he sucks. If Lucic was such a detriment 5v5 he wouldnt be playing on our shutdown defensive line. He's made a couple bad giveaways, sure, but he's a physical force and probably the toughest guy in the league right now. Neal is barely trusted to play 4th line minutes, 6.5 million for that guy is a joke when he brings nothing to the table other than McDavid PP tap ins.

Lucic gets 1 more minute per game, hes giving up goals at a 4 goals/60 rate, what is he shutting down exactly?

Lucic is producing points at a 1.6/60 rate, Neal is 1.51/60.

Not far off, and one isnt bleeding goals against.

 

[Aceboogie]

Thats because he doesn't get any ice time. Cause he sucks. If Lucic was such a detriment 5v5 he wouldnt be playing on our shutdown defensive line. He's made a couple bad giveaways, sure, but he's a physical force and probably the toughest guy in the league right now. Neal is barely trusted to play 4th line minutes, 6.5 million for that guy is a joke when he brings nothing to the table other than McDavid PP tap ins.

They are both terrible players. The major key is that Lucic automatically occupies an protection spot for the expansion draft and Neal doesnt. The Flames basically have to beg Lucic to waive his NMC, and from last expansion draft, virtually no player agreed to waive their NMC. Lucic also has buy out proof contract

I can live with a player being a bum on the ice, I can not live with a contract that causes so many issues. So for that reason, Lucic has next to no value and no sane GM would trade for him

 

[North Man]

They are both terrible players. The major key is that Lucic automatically occupies an protection spot for the expansion draft and Neal doesnt. The Flames basically have to beg Lucic to waive his NMC, and from last expansion draft, virtually no player agreed to waive their NMC. Lucic also has buy out proof contract

I can live with a player being a bum on the ice, I can not live with a contract that causes so many issues. So for that reason, Lucic has next to no value and no sane GM would trade for him

I agree, Lucic has no value. Neal at 5.75 is the worse contract though IMO. At least Lucic fills a role with leadership and physical play which is expected from a guy at the bottom of the lineup. Lucic @5.25 vs Neal @6.5 (750k retained) is a no brainer. + a 3rd for Calgary.

Also it's been reported that Treliving asked whether he would his NMC for the expansion draft and Lucic agreed to do it prior or shortly after the trade. Zero Flames fans are worried about protecting Lucic.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Bruins fans have visions of Lucic returning to Boston, finding the fountain of youth, and returning to his glory days.

 

[PB37]

Unless Lucic has changed his mind, he's staying out West. It was a mutual decision between he and Sweeney after a personal tragedy made Lucic want to be closer to home.

It is Boston and Lucic still has a lot of fond memories and emotional pull when it comes to being a Bruin so anything can happen. But personally, I don't think he's coming back East.

 

[Mazatt]

No reason for the Flames to rush to trade Lucic OR Bennett now that they are succeeding under Sutter (Lucic has been succeeding for over a calendar year at this point). If the value of trading them with retention is a 2nd I'd rather just spend the money on two guys who are showing up as timely depth scoring options with solid off-puck play. People who claim Lucic is terrible aren't watching him since Peters left. He's a valuable roster player for the Flames despite the price tag and paying to get rid of him is counter-intuitive to a team trying to be competitive.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Both have been playing well as of late for the Flames, so this isnt happening.

 

[Montecristo]

Bruins need goals not grit

 

[CraigsList]

All of HF values these two with no value.

No at paying assets to get rid of them.

Lucic and Bennett are doing just fine for us.

 

[belair]

Salty Oiler fans just mad that Lucic has more goals than 80% of their roster. How's Neal looking at 6.5 million? Cheers for the 3rd rounder btw

Looks great. We look forward to buying him out this summer.

 

[blankall]

With Lucic, depends how much is being retained. Lucic leads the team in hits, might be the best fighter in the league, and puts up fine numbers for a bottom six. The Flames have a lot of soft players, so they need Lucic.

His current hit for the Flames is 5.25. If the Flames are retaining more than 1.5-2 million it doesn't make sense. Unless the Flames have a specific ufa target, what's the point? They'd have to overpay to get toughness on the ufa/trade market.

The Flames aren't rebuilding. They have no need to unload guys with intangibles.

 

[Paper]

I thought he was pretty solid for the flames no?

If he was making 1M he would be considered the heart and soul of the team by fans awing over him.

If he was making 3M he would be considered an adequate, if not unfortunately not quite as hyped up to be, player

But he's making 6M (0.75 from the Oilers lol).

 

[Montecristo]

All of HF values these two with no value.

No at paying assets to get rid of them.

Lucic and Bennett are doing just fine for us.

i think they provide a winning element to a team. But that element boston has plenty of. They dont have the “put pucks in the net element” currently which is what they need and what these 2 dont really provide. So no value? No. But to boston their value isnt worth spending for.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

If he was making 1M he would be considered the heart and soul of the team by fans awing over him.

If he was making 3M he would be considered an adequate, if not unfortunately not quite as hyped up to be, player

But he's making 6M (0.75 from the Oilers lol).

But he's effectively making 5.25 million as far as the Flames or any team acquiring him from the Flames cares

Every single team except the Caps and Leafs has one if not multiple players overpaid by 2.25M or more, at least Lucic is a physical vet.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Why would we trade Lucic when he is part of our leadership core? And retain? No thanks.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Lucic is honestly one of my favourite players. Bennett looks like a perfect fit for Sutter. Meat and potatoes hockey is better for those two for sure.

 

[DFF]

No retain and it’s free

 

[DFF]

I thought he was pretty solid for the flames no?

He is but we can use the money

of course without retaining, otherwise no point