Value of: Lucic plus 2019 1st at the draft

[Soundwave]

I would suggest Lucic is aware that without his NMC his chances of being on an NHL roster are greatly reduced. His numbers are that of a 4th liner but he has for the most part put those numbers up while not on the 4th line so there's a good possibility they diminish even further. Does a team not have some speedster, prospect or even a PK specialist they would prefer to use on their 4th line.
It may be more difficult to receive his blessing than what many are assuming.

The only team I think he wouldn't waive for it Ottawa. And even Ottawa, maybe, the travel is much better out East. I think he'd even be willing to add Seattle to his modified NTC for the 2021 season, his family is from that area and Seattle is a very nice city.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Hate to break the news to you but Drai is really a winger...

This is a simple question . Could Edmonton use the cap space ? They sure the hell could but moving Lucic at the cost of a top 10 pick doesn't do anything to fix the holes threw out the line up .

Move out short term deals if you want to open up cap space

Russell 2 years left at 4 million per
Sekera 2 years left at 5.5 million per
RNH 2 years left at 6 million per . Sooner or later we are going to have to get wingers . They are cheap to sign and cheaper to acquire in trades then C . Draisaitl needs a line built for him . McDavid needs one built for him . Having #1C McDavid #2C Draisaitl is enough top 6 C to win with . Now you need a 4 million hard checking defensively responsible 3rd line C . Not a good ideal to have a 6 million dollar guy there . Yeah I get using a C as a winger but you pay a premium for a C .
Manning , Let not get into this one

There about 18 million in cap space above and they aren't costing you a 1st rd pick to move . Move the mention players stick Lucic on the 4th line for a year or 2 then move him . In another year he will be owed 10 million over 3 years or if we keep him for 2 move years he is owed 6.5 over the final 2 years . Retain 50% for the last 2 years and a team get Lucic at 1.625 million per . For a rebuilding team he may have value just as a enforcer to keep the kids protected .

Long story short we have better option to open cap space at this time

 

[eviohh26]

Yea . I wouldn't as a oil fan. Just buy that plug out.

 

[cheesymc]

I’ll give you Corey Perry for Lucic and 1st...

 

[Dr Awesome]

Ottawa doesn't really care about winning in the next 3 seasons, and they have a buttload of cap space. Their focus will be to keep salary near league minimum (for Melnyk), while gaining assets for the rebuild. IMO the two players that seem destined to be traded eventually, are Boedker and Smith. Boedker is a speedy middle-6 winger, and Smith is ideally a 3rd liner with some grit to his game. I think both would be good fits on EDM.

As for EDM... they want to win now, and get out of some bad long term contracts. They don't want to sell the farm, but it looks like they may be willing to give up an asset for the right deal. I think that deal has to include improving the team now AND giving them options under the cap long-term. Lucic is the main culprit obviously.

My proposal:
To OTT:
Lucic
Benning
2020 1st

To EDM:
Boedker
Smith

Year 1 [salary (cap hit)]
EDM: 6.250 (7.250) *Boedker and Smith
OTT: 8.000 (7.900) *Lucic and Benning

Year 2
EDM: 3.250 (3.250) *Smith
OTT: 4.000 (6.000) * Lucic

Year 3
OTT: 5.000 (6.000) *Lucic

Year 4
OTT: 4.000 (6.000)

The upside for OTT in this proposal is obviously the 2020 pick. Lucic and Smith somewhat equal eachother in terms of production and leadership, and Boedker hasn't been there long anyways. The downside is the 4th year of Lucic's contract. Some would argue the 3rd year is also a burden, but with Bobby Ryan still on the team (in year 3), they will not be in a position to compete anyways. Now, with only 1 year left on Looch's contract, Ottawa will be in a decent position to retain on Lucic and trade him after the first three rebuilding years. It also sets them up to make a big splash in free agency in 2022 and 2023. Guys like RNH, Hamilton, Landeskog, Gaudreau, Forsberg, Barkov, Hertl, S.Jones, etc... are set to be UFAs in those years. Many will not hit it, but some may, and OTT will have rebuilt and likely be looking to make a splash.

As for EDM, they upgrade their team short-term, but also aren't locked in for long. Smith can center the 3rd line, and Boedker's speed might mesh well with Draisatl or McDavid. He's certainly at least be good on the 2nd line with RNH and Draisatl. The downside is they lose their 2020 1st/ The silver lining is they should make the playoffs (in 2020) and need that pick a lot less than before. They are no longer tied to Lucic's long contract, and they have some cap flexibility.

Value aside, I think this deal improves both teams in terms of their goals/needs.

As far as hf proposals go this is one of the more feasible trades with Lucic I’ve seen in terms of value.

 

[Drake1588]

Vancouver will take him for

2 Million retained per year
2019 2nd
2019 NYI's 3rd
2020 2nd

Edmonton fans may find this a lot more palatable, but I really don't see why Vancouver signs off on it. The overwhelming likelihood is that Lucic stays where he is for a good bit longer.

 

[McSuper]

Hate to break the news to you but Drai is really a winger...

Yes that why he centres McDavid at times and why RNH centres him when McDavid is out of the line up . Except RNH doesn't centre him Draisaitl centres the 1st line

Edmonton fans may find this a lot more palatable, but I really don't see why Vancouver signs off on it. The overwhelming likelihood is that Lucic stays where he is for a good bit longer.

He will be moved in the next 18 months you can count on that . After next season he is owed 10 million over retain 5-% and that is 5 million over 3 years with a 3 million a year cap hit . Great deal for a team at the cap floor

 

[Tysonson3]

No clue if this is close or something that would be entertained by either team but lucic at %50 and preds and oilers swap firsts?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Habs offer:

To Montreal:

Lucic (2.1m retained)
Edmonton 1st round pick (~#5)

To Edmonton:

Alzner (1.1m retained)
Montreal 1st round pick (~#15)

 

[Soundwave]

Hate to break the news to you but Drai is really a winger...

Hate to break it to you but he can play both positions, which actually makes him more valuable.

You have to give him a half way decent winger to play with him if you're going to play him at center.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Yes that why he centres McDavid at times and why RNH centres him when McDavid is out of the line up . Except RNH doesn't centre him Draisaitl centres the 1st line




He will be moved in the next 18 months you can count on that . After next season he is owed 10 million over retain 5-% and that is 5 million over 3 years with a 3 million a year cap hit . Great deal for a team at the cap floor

Only trouble is Lucic may not to have any desire to go to to a team that is "cap floor"....That's his decision. There are far too many teams that are near the cap right now and really shouldn't be....Oilers, Ducks, Leafs.

 

[Soundwave]

Only trouble is Lucic may not to have any desire to go to to a team that is "cap floor"....That's his decision. There are far too many teams that are near the cap right now and really shouldn't be....Oilers, Ducks, Leafs.

He'd be fine on virtually any team but maybe Ottawa I think.

Every team out East has better travel than the Oilers. In the West Arizona or even Seattle is likely fine by him. New York or New Jersey ... don't see the wifey being too upset about being able to live the good life in Manhattan for a couple of years.

 

[David Catselhoff]

To LA
Lucic - 25% retained
EDM 1st Round pick 2019

To EDM
Conditional 2020 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 2nd round pick, 45-59 points - 3rd round pick, 44 or lower points - 4th round pick)
Conditional 2021 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 3rd round pick, 45-59 points - 4th round pick, 44 or lower points - 5th round pick)
Conditional 2022 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 4th round pick, 45-59 points - 5th round pick, 44 or lower points - 6th round pick)
Condition - If Lucic is traded, picked in expansion, or retires all conditional picks are dropped.

Both teams take some risk. EDM frees up salary and could get some decent draft picks back if Lucic can revive his career. LA gets a top 10 pick and an out if Lucic doesnt work out.

 

[zcaptain]

Edmonton fans may find this a lot more palatable, but I really don't see why Vancouver signs off on it. The overwhelming likelihood is that Lucic stays where he is for a good bit longer.

Here is my thought for what it is worth...….

We trade for Lucic at 2M retained cap
We Trade Lucic with 2 M retained cap
Now Lucic is a 2M LWer
Much easier to trade, and we have the short term money to spend
Basically we buy 2 - 2nds and a 3rd
with his bonus's all paid, he basically costs no money, just cap which some teams need.

It is just a thought anyways...but that is the jest of it

 

[deaderhead28]

To LA
Lucic - 25% retained
EDM 1st Round pick 2019

To EDM
Conditional 2020 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 2nd round pick, 45-59 points - 3rd round pick, 44 or lower points - 4th round pick)
Conditional 2021 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 3rd round pick, 45-59 points - 4th round pick, 44 or lower points - 5th round pick)
Conditional 2022 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 4th round pick, 45-59 points - 5th round pick, 44 or lower points - 6th round pick)
Condition - If Lucic is traded, picked in expansion, or retires all conditional picks are dropped.

Both teams take some risk. EDM frees up salary and could get some decent draft picks back if Lucic can revive his career. LA gets a top 10 pick and an out if Lucic doesnt work out.

No thanks.Kings need to get out of awful contracts not add to them.Kings need to get younger,not older.Kings are rebuilding and need all their picks.It would take more than a first round pick to take on that awful contract and add more if the pick is lottery protected.

 

[McSuper]

To LA
Lucic - 25% retained
EDM 1st Round pick 2019

To EDM
Conditional 2020 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 2nd round pick, 45-59 points - 3rd round pick, 44 or lower points - 4th round pick)
Conditional 2021 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 3rd round pick, 45-59 points - 4th round pick, 44 or lower points - 5th round pick)
Conditional 2022 pick (Lucic 60+ points - 4th round pick, 45-59 points - 5th round pick, 44 or lower points - 6th round pick)
Condition - If Lucic is traded, picked in expansion, or retires all conditional picks are dropped.

Both teams take some risk. EDM frees up salary and could get some decent draft picks back if Lucic can revive his career. LA gets a top 10 pick and an out if Lucic doesnt work out.

So we lose what ever young asset we can draft to move Lucic for nothing . So now to get better we have to dip into free agency where you always over pay .

Lucic plus a top 10 pick >>>> Then 6 million to spend on a UFA

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Ottawa doesn't really care about winning in the next 3 seasons, and they have a buttload of cap space. Their focus will be to keep salary near league minimum (for Melnyk), while gaining assets for the rebuild. IMO the two players that seem destined to be traded eventually, are Boedker and Smith. Boedker is a speedy middle-6 winger, and Smith is ideally a 3rd liner with some grit to his game. I think both would be good fits on EDM.

As for EDM... they want to win now, and get out of some bad long term contracts. They don't want to sell the farm, but it looks like they may be willing to give up an asset for the right deal. I think that deal has to include improving the team now AND giving them options under the cap long-term. Lucic is the main culprit obviously.

My proposal:
To OTT:
Lucic
Benning
2020 1st

To EDM:
Boedker
Smith

Year 1 [salary (cap hit)]
EDM: 6.250 (7.250) *Boedker and Smith
OTT: 8.000 (7.900) *Lucic and Benning

Year 2
EDM: 3.250 (3.250) *Smith
OTT: 4.000 (6.000) * Lucic

Year 3
OTT: 5.000 (6.000) *Lucic

Year 4
OTT: 4.000 (6.000)

The upside for OTT in this proposal is obviously the 2020 pick. Lucic and Smith somewhat equal eachother in terms of production and leadership, and Boedker hasn't been there long anyways. The downside is the 4th year of Lucic's contract. Some would argue the 3rd year is also a burden, but with Bobby Ryan still on the team (in year 3), they will not be in a position to compete anyways. Now, with only 1 year left on Looch's contract, Ottawa will be in a decent position to retain on Lucic and trade him after the first three rebuilding years. It also sets them up to make a big splash in free agency in 2022 and 2023. Guys like RNH, Hamilton, Landeskog, Gaudreau, Forsberg, Barkov, Hertl, S.Jones, etc... are set to be UFAs in those years. Many will not hit it, but some may, and OTT will have rebuilt and likely be looking to make a splash.

As for EDM, they upgrade their team short-term, but also aren't locked in for long. Smith can center the 3rd line, and Boedker's speed might mesh well with Draisatl or McDavid. He's certainly at least be good on the 2nd line with RNH and Draisatl. The downside is they lose their 2020 1st/ The silver lining is they should make the playoffs (in 2020) and need that pick a lot less than before. They are no longer tied to Lucic's long contract, and they have some cap flexibility.

Value aside, I think this deal improves both teams in terms of their goals/needs.

Well done, seems like a reasonable trade for both teams, but Eugene would probably Nix it pretty quick.

 

[bobholly39]

How is a 6Million contract such a big deal? It's only 6mil.

Most teams have at least 1 or 2 bad contracts. The value of a top end #1 draft pick is MUCH greater than 6M$ of a cap space for 4 years is.

 

[Fourier]

So we lose what ever young asset we can draft to move Lucic for nothing . So now to get better we have to dip into free agency where you always over pay .

Lucic plus a top 10 pick >>>> Then 6 million to spend on a UFA

exactly!

 

[Deen]

Lucic and a 1st might get you a 3rd.

 

[dredeye]

How is a 6Million contract such a big deal? It's only 6mil.

Most teams have at least 1 or 2 bad contracts. The value of a top end #1 draft pick is MUCH greater than 6M$ of a cap space for 4 years is.

When you need that cap space to get out of the basement of the league it becomes real important. Yes many teams have a bad contract or two. The difference is most of the teams are winning so it doesn’t hurt as much. But yes when you’re up against the cap and a pretty awful team that space is very valuable. The one maybe advantage the Oilers have is that he was front loaded so only next season is his cap hit his actual salary. With retention that could help you move him to a non cap team

 

[bobholly39]

When you need that cap space to get out of the basement of the league it becomes real important. Yes many teams have a bad contract or two. The difference is most of the teams are winning so it doesn’t hurt as much. But yes when you’re up against the cap and a pretty awful team that space is very valuable. The one maybe advantage the Oilers have is that he was front loaded so only next season is his cap hit his actual salary. With retention that could help you move him to a non cap team

But a high 1st round draft pick is more valuable than that 6M$ in cap space is my point.
What would you guys even do with more cap space? Go after UFAs? When you get to the UFA market if you can attract a big name - then shed salary if need be. Until then - you may not even get anyone worthwhile, you may instead end up overpaying another Lucic-type of UFA.

Just because Edmonton has had bad luck with draft picks doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in a top 5-7 overall pick.

I wouldn't overpay to get rid of Lucic until you have to. If you land Karlsson - sure, package next year's 1st round pick + Lucic to get rid of him.

 

[topshelf15]

So we lose what ever young asset we can draft to move Lucic for nothing . So now to get better we have to dip into free agency where you always over pay .

Lucic plus a top 10 pick >>>> Then 6 million to spend on a UFA

Pretty good point here ,dump Lucic to sign another Lucic

 

[yababy]

When you need that cap space to get out of the basement of the league it becomes real important.

Oilers need high draft picks on cheap salaries more than they need to shed Lucic's contract.
If oil don't get a top 6 winger on a bargain contract coming back, there's not much point in giving up a top 10 pick.

 

[qwerty]

Why would the Canucks tie up $4M for the next four years for a high second? The third is useless and that 2020 second could be anywhere. Even if Edmonton finished dead last the following season, it's still not exactly enticing for the albatross that is Lucic.

I don’t think that guy was thinking about the long term ramifications of a buyout proof contract. The Canucks would never add Lucic for a variety of reasons. Boeser, Pettersson and Hughes will be expensive. They already on hook for Loui Eriksson’s $6M contract for another 3 years and Luongo’s recapture penalty also has to be taken into consideration.

A couple of magic beans in the form of second/third round picks shouldn’t be enough to put the Canucks in serious cap trouble. They’d honestly be wise to steer clear of any additional salary. Pettersson already looks like he’ll be in the $10M+ tier.