Injury Report: LTIR for Smith

[brentashton]

Skinner had miserable numbers in the ECHL and AHL.

There’s got to be another way !

I think Ken Holland played goal for the Medicine Hat Tigers and a few minor league teams. 70 is the new 40 right?

 

[bellagiobob]

I'd everybody drunk? How is Smith getting hurt Holland's fault? Sheesh.

It can be argued that Forsberg shouldn't have been waived in the first place but I don't see how Smith getting hurt creates responses like "Nice signing Holland", "Boy, he really botched this".

Anyway, so many of you hated the Smith signing from the beginning calling him the worst goalie in the league so this is good, right?
In any event, he needs to find a goalie now. Waiving Forsberg was obviously a mistake.

You didn’t know that the HF in HFOil stands for Hindsight Fans?

 

[BlackDogg]

 

[GOilers88]

Like I said, if he never trades for him, he never wastes the picks. Holland should've known what he was (and how big a pain in the ass he would be to sign).



Again, you're (willfully?) ignoring it wasn't the claim itself but the lack of execution that Holland is getting and deserves flak for. He had a way to keep Forsberg as the third goalie. Other teams have held onto a third for this very reason. He didn't do it though and that's on him.



If I tell you not to put your hand on the stove and you do it, leading to a second degree burn, is that "hindsight" in your opinion or just common sense?

Unless I'm mistaken, the only team that put a claim in on Forsberg was the team that let him walk a few months ago. Likely the only team nobody would have expected to scoop him up, which also happens to be run by a guy with a long history with Holland.

I'm sure Holland didn't see it coming. Sure, he could have waived someone else. I don't disagree. But I'm not going to sit here and act like this was a glaringly obvious problem, because there was no problem until this morning.

I hope Skinner gets a start and shuts it down just to see the complete flip some people will do on the situation.

I guess I'm just more inclined to trust in one of the most respected managers in the league than you. I'm not going to jump on someone for not having a backup, backup plan, especially when we don't have a clue what he's doing in the next few days to address it. I just wish the chicken little season is gonna be sunk reactions would go away. Maybe I just need to ignore it.

 

[harpoon]

Most teams would be quite screwed if their top two goalies got injured...

It’s true of course. But this isn’t a normal season and teams need to take covid quarantine rules into consideration. It becomes a little more likely that teams may have one guy unavailable for weeks at a time than it would be to see two goaltenders sidelined by injuries in a regular year. I tend to side with those saying Holland slipped up a bit here; first by resigning Smith in the first place, and second by not realizing the lay of the land and the likelihood that his backup plan was going to get snatched off waivers. Hopefully he’s working on a solution that’s better than Rodrigue.

 

[DropTheGloves]

You mean the team gave info to the media and the media released that info. How Scandalous!!!

I'm trying to figure out how you got that from my post and it's just not happening. Care to try again?

 

[nabob]

I'm trying to figure out how you got that from my post and it's just not happening. Care to try again?

Nah I’m good.

 

[nabob]

It’s true of course. But this isn’t a normal season and teams need to take covid quarantine rules into consideration. It becomes a little more likely that teams may have one guy unavailable for weeks at a time than it would be to see two goaltenders sidelined by injuries in a regular year. I tend to side with those saying Holland slipped up a bit here; first by resigning Smith in the first place, and second by not realizing the lay of the land and the likelihood that his backup plan was going to get snatched off waivers. Hopefully he’s working on a solution that’s better than Rodrigue.

I wonder if Toronto’s Zamboni driver is available?

 

[Paralyzer008]

If we signed Jimmy Howard tomorrow, I would say he's better than Mike Smith AND he'd be here done his quarantine before the Oilers back-to-back Jan 30/31, so get it done.

 

[shoop]

No back to backs for the next eight or so, limited travel, so doable for the next while.

And the second half of that next back to back is against Ottawa. If ever there was a team for Skinner to make his debut against this season it is Ottawa.

 

[Cypress]

It's what Holland does from here that really matters.

He did his due diligence in bringing in a suitable #3.

Carolina could have chosen any out of probably at least half a dozen guys if not more.

There isn't so much urgency if either Forsberg gets claimed OR Mike Smith goes down with injury.

Both happening at the same time was extremely unlikely.

 

[Cypress]

Delete

 

[Mr Positive]

We should have opened up the war chest and traded for a young goalie stuck somewhere, such as Georgiev. It's not just for a situation like this, but also it's just good practice to mix in matured young players. We need a post-Koskinen plan as well, and not just hoping and praying for the UFA market to bail us out. But yeah it would be useful right about now as well

 

[bellagiobob]

If we signed Jimmy Howard tomorrow, I would say he's better than Mike Smith AND he'd be here done his quarantine before the Oilers back-to-back Jan 30/31, so get it done.

The Jimmy Howard of last year was worse than Smith, so unless by some miracle he’s turned back time a few years, I’ll pass.

 

[Beerfish]

It's amazing how fast people will go from happy to telling us how badly Ken Holland has botched everything when something completely random and unforseen happens. Just like with AA and covid shutting down the season.

"Should have for seen a global pandemic coming and flattening the cap!"

"Should have forseen Mike Smith getting injured a day after the season starts and Carolina claiming his insurance goalie that they let walk away but a few months ago!"

Good lord

Utter nonsense.

1) Our tending was not great last year, it's one of the major reasons we lost out in the play in round.
2) Holland decided to bring back Smith, one of the oldest if not oldest goalie in the league, who by the way is an awful goalie to boot.
3) Holland chose to waive Forsberg, his choice.
4) None of this was oh no covid! or hindsight. A number of people on here saw our tending for what it was a shaky house of cards, one breath of wind from falling over.

Holland did nothing to improve the most important position on a team, he made moves that actually created more of a crisis, this is on him, not 'bad luck'

 

[Mr Positive]

Unless I'm mistaken, the only team that put a claim in on Forsberg was the team that let him walk a few months ago. Likely the only team nobody would have expected to scoop him up, which also happens to be run by a guy with a long history with Holland.

I'm sure Holland didn't see it coming. Sure, he could have waived someone else. I don't disagree. But I'm not going to sit here and act like this was a glaringly obvious problem, because there was no problem until this morning.

I hope Skinner gets a start and shuts it down just to see the complete flip some people will do on the situation.

I guess I'm just more inclined to trust in one of the most respected managers in the league than you. I'm not going to jump on someone for not having a backup, backup plan, especially when we don't have a clue what he's doing in the next few days to address it. I just wish the chicken little season is gonna be sunk reactions would go away. Maybe I just need to ignore it.

It would be amazing to have Skinner kill it here. I think our D is good enough now that he would at least have a shot. Not like when Bunz was left to the wolves

 

[shoop]

Holland did nothing to improve the most important position on a team, he made moves that actually created more of a crisis, this is on him, not 'bad luck'

Yes. Damn him for not having that crystal ball.

Please share whatever you posted before any waiver claims came in criticizing Holland for not protecting Forsberg.

 

[rboomercat90]

We’re a Koskinen injury away from a Skinner/Rodrigue tandem. 22 and 20 years old respectively.

Don’t worry. Our defensive structure can overcome any goaltending shortcomings.

 

[rboomercat90]

To protect them if their own goalie they waived didn’t make it through

Kind of smart really. Maybe we should have put in a claim for Comrie just in case someone took Forsberg.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Kind of smart really. Maybe we should have put in a claim for Comrie just in case someone took Forsberg.

I don’t think we could to maximize our LTIR usage from Klefbom

 

[MessierII]

Utter nonsense.

1) Our tending was not great last year, it's one of the major reasons we lost out in the play in round.
2) Holland decided to bring back Smith, one of the oldest if not oldest goalie in the league, who by the way is an awful goalie to boot.
3) Holland chose to waive Forsberg, his choice.
4) None of this was oh no covid! or hindsight. A number of people on here saw our tending for what it was a shaky house of cards, one breath of wind from falling over.

Holland did nothing to improve the most important position on a team, he made moves that actually created more of a crisis, this is on him, not 'bad luck'

Pretty obvious he tried very hard to upgrade the goaltending. Markstrom was plan A. Holtby was plan B. Smith was plan C. The player has to want to sign here.

 

[North]

No clue, everything is likely hush, hush. Hopefully he'll be ok. In the meantime this really sucks.

The fake Ken Holland account said he wandered so far out of his net he has to quarantine.

 

[Asiaoil]

So how many teams have 3 goalies on their active roster? Anyone know a site with up to date rosters in one place?

I think we need to be patient and see how this plays out. Smith is actually the guy I want as our taxi squad goalie. Pretty much perfect for that. Still want one of the ARZ goalies, preferably Kemper, but don't want to give up the first round pick.

 

[Mez]

The fake Ken Holland account said he wandered so far out of his net he has to quarantine.

LOL too good.

 

[bellagiobob]

Took a look at Cap Friendly, and only 2 teams have three goalies on their active roster, Islanders and now obviously the Jets. So it isn't like it's a trend to have 3 goalies on your active roster. Caps have three goalies on their taxi squad and the Wings 2. Maybe make a pitch for Copley, Boyle or Pickard. All have various levels of NHL experience.