They were never the highest paid player on their respective team. It's possible Gartner was paid pretty high. No I'm not factoring in inflation, revenue sharing, COVID, the flat cap, etc. I'm still back to the notion that NHL teams have players who can do great things in the playoffs and not be the highest paid. It's meaningful to the TOR situation a lot.As an exclusive measure of the things you're claiming/discussing, yeah it's pretty arbitrary. And the fact that they didn't make 11m is entirely meaingless, because nobody made 11m for the majority of the NHL's history.
That's not true. Many of the top OT playoff goal scorers were high paid players. You literally just named Sakic. And the best playoff performers in general were high paid.They were never the highest paid player on their respective team.
Yeah, you're not factoring in what salaries were, which makes the 11m discussion entirely meaningless.No I'm not factoring in inflation, revenue sharing, COVID, the flat cap, etc.
Yes, players who aren't the highest paid can do great things. Any of an 11m player, a 6m player, or a league minimum player can have a big moment. Nobody has disputed this, but that doesn't discount the importance, impact, and consistency of the high paid players.I'm still back to the notion that NHL teams have players who can do great things in the playoffs and not be the highest paid.
No. 11m is symbolic. 3 of TOR's forwards get paid in and around that salary. This is how we got here in the first place. Few players take up the majority of the salary. Dubas then has to fill out the rest of the roster with league min. hopefuls. This combination has been nothing short of abject failure. The playoffs and winning the cup is the goal of this league.That's not true. Many of the top OT playoff goal scorers were high paid players. You literally just named Sakic. And the best playoff performers in general were high paid.
Yeah, you're not factoring in what salaries were, which makes the 11m discussion entirely meaningless.
Yes, players who aren't the highest paid can do great things. Any of an 11m player, a 6m player, or a league minimum player can have a big moment. Nobody has disputed this, but that doesn't discount the importance, impact, and consistency of the high paid players.
You weren't using 11m "symbolically" originally, until it was pointed out how flawed it was. We have 3 forwards in that range, and they bring a ton of value and impact. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's far from just league minimum hopefuls beyond that. In addition to those 3, we have 7+ other forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalies making more than league minimum; some considerably more. Winning the cup is the goal, but we haven't lost and we're not prevented from winning because of our cap allocation, and you don't get closer to the cup by throwing your best players overboard and making yourself worse.No. 11m is symbolic. 3 of TOR's forwards get paid in and around that salary. This is how we got here in the first place. Few players take up the majority of the salary. Dubas then has to fill out the rest of the roster with league min. hopefuls. This combination has been nothing short of abject failure. The playoffs and winning the cup is the goal of this league.
You've never played sports if you think your mindset being up 3-2 going into game 6 is the same as being down 3-2 heading into game 6. It's completely different and the Leafs choked it. There's let-up on the gas so to speak. Their first round series against the Bolts was definitely not the typical first round matchup but that doesn't matter.To me it doesn't matter how you got there in terms of game by game. It's the start vs end. If in 2022 they went down 0-3 and lost in game 7 would that change how you feel? And my point is in 2022, Toronto vs TB was like playing the 3rd round in the first round.
Before Game 1 they were only big favorites in 1 series, the Montreal one. Where they lost their Captain and third best forward less than 1 period into the series.
Everybody knows it's either Kerfoot or Holl who is to blame, c'mon man catch up, the trains' leaving for LeaFland any minute!I’d really like to here some input from fans what the reasoning is? Bad luck? I’d say goaltending has been the most common theme throughout the drought. The leafs have a great team so what is your opinion?
They were never the highest paid player on their respective team. It's possible Gartner was paid pretty high. No I'm not factoring in inflation, revenue sharing, COVID, the flat cap, etc. I'm still back to the notion that NHL teams have players who can do great things in the playoffs and not be the highest paid. It's meaningful to the TOR situation a lot.
Maybe we do.You weren't using 11m "symbolically" originally, until it was pointed out how flawed it was. We have 3 forwards in that range, and they bring a ton of value and impact. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's far from just league minimum hopefuls beyond that. In addition to those 3, we have 7+ other forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalies making more than league minimum; some considerably more. Winning the cup is the goal, but we haven't lost and we're not prevented from winning because of our cap allocation, and you don't get closer to the cup by throwing your best players overboard and making yourself worse.
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it's fact whether you like it or notMan, the media can never wait to take shots. Guaranteed they've been sitting on that one waiting for him to retire.
Full on crying sessions to sad music during long drives home still.I still get sick thinking about the Montreal Series.
It's not that obvious because TOR is not the model of success.We obviously don't.
It is very obvious that you don't get closer to a cup by making yourself worse.It's not that obvious because TOR is not the model of success.
Worse is what TOR is now though. They are so poor in the playoffs that their own goal as team is to win a playoff round. That wasn't Shanny's vision. That's not what any professional team's vision looks like.It is very obvious that you don't get closer to a cup by making yourself worse.
It can get vastly worse than what Toronto is now. Toronto's goal is the cup, and we have as good a chance as pretty much anyone.Worse is what TOR is now though. They are so poor in the playoffs that their own goal as team is to win a playoff round.
I disagree. Toronto has a good chance of making the playoffs. The debate is dead as to whether they can go far or whether they are built for the playoffs. They are mostly the same team as they were last year. They are not built to win in the playoffs.It can get vastly worse than what Toronto is now. Toronto's goal is the cup, and we have as good a chance as pretty much anyone.
What team got rid of better players for worse players and won more?Worse is what TOR is now though. They are so poor in the playoffs that their own goal as team is to win a playoff round. That wasn't Shanny's vision. That's not what any professional team's vision looks like.
They are built to win, and that applies to both the regular season and playoffs. That doesn't always mean things are going to fall into place in an ideal way, but pretty much everywhere has them among the favourites to win the cup for a reason. They are not the same team as last year, but that wouldn't really be an issue if they were anyway, because they were an exceptionally good team last year and nothing that happened indicated an inability to win.I disagree. Toronto has a good chance of making the playoffs. The dabate is dead as to whether they can go far or whether they are built for the playoffs. They are mostly the same team as they were last year. They are not built to win in the playoffs.
This either/or question is silly.What team got rid of better players for worse players and won more?
I disagree. Toronto has a good chance of making the playoffs. The dabate is dead as to whether they can go far or whether they are built for the playoffs. They are mostly the same team as they were last year. They are not built to win in the playoffs.