Looking back on 1st rounders, do you take the consensus picks or what we have?

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Which set of 1st round picks would you prefer?

  1. Consensus: Nylander, McCann, Merkley, Tkachuk, Glass, Hughes

    11.6%
  2. Reality: Virtanen, McCann, Boeser, Juolevi, Pettersson, Hughes

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  1. 50 Sheas of Grey

    50 Sheas of Grey Registered User

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    Curious what people would prefer.

    By consensus picks - I mean averaging draft rankings pre-draft.
    I've averaged the rankings based on averaging twelve different draft rankings from analysts such as Bob McKenzie and Craig Button taken from the website My NHL Draft.

    For example, see the 2014 NHL draft:

    2014 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings

    Nylander - 9, 5, 6 9, 8, 7, 5, 9, 4, 3, 6, 8
    79 / 12 = 6.58 average

    Ehlers -10, 4, 8, 8, 4, 8, 11, 6, 8, 5, 7, 6,
    85 / 12 = 7.08 average

    Ritchie - 6, 9, 7, 7, 5, 5, 10, 16, 7, 18, 9, 9,
    108 / 12 = 9.00 average


    For the later 1st round picks (24th and 23rd overall) - I just took a consensus rankings list (from the same website, just from 7 analyst rankings instead of 12) and chose the highest listed player that hadn't been drafted by the time we picked. 2015 was close between Merkley and Konecny, but ultimately Merkley was closer to the consensus highest pick.
     
  2. Curmudgeon

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    I pick "reality" based on thinking (more like praying!) Pettersson is way better than all the others.
     
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    Those two failed draft picks of Olli over Mathew and Virtanen over Ehlers, Nylander are blunders. Canucks' need one more elite player with a draft pick in the future, and then they can focus on building there atrocious defense.

    Consesus or no consesus I just want a management with a brain. Scary thought Canucks' had Makar higher then Petterson, but thank god Colorado got that pick in that draft. Imagine Canucks' did go higher in draft position they would of picked Makar, the hockey gods saved us.

    In the Future all we need is one more elite player, this would give the Canucks 3 - Petterson, Boeser and -----. You know if this team had a brain they could just trade Tanev in a package to get a decent prospect but heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
     
  4. Hindustan Smyl

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    Does Hughes qualify as a consensus pick?

    Pretty sure most people were clamoring for Dobson since it was assumed that Hughes would go much earlier.
     
  5. Dave Lister

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    The only WTF pick we made was OJ over Tkachuk. I wanted Ehlers but could understand taking Virtanen at the time. OJ over Tkachuk mustve had some Linden vs Keith behind the scenes shenanigans. This year I was happy with Hughes and it was who everyone thought we would take but Dobson was right there as well.
     
  6. 50 Sheas of Grey

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    2018 NHL Draft Rankings

    Hughes: 5, 3, 6, 9, 6, 8, 7, 5, 10, 6, 4, 4. (based on the first 12 sources I used for the other draft pick rankings).
    Average = 6.08.
    Drafted 7th overall.

    Wahlstrom could make a case: 6, 5, 5, 7, 10, 7, 5, 6, 9, 5, 5, 5 = 6.25
     
  7. Hindustan Smyl

    Hindustan Smyl 2020/2021 = Canucks being a contender

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    To answer the question however, REALITY ainec.

    Pettersson may very well be the #1 guy from the 2017 draft, with respect to Hischier and Patrick. I know I’m obviously going to have a bias, but I don’t think either of those guys compare to Pettersson. We just may have Datsyuk/Zetterberg v 2.0 on our hands.

    I also believe that Hughes will be the real #3 from the 2018 draft behind Dahlin and Svechnikov.
     
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    Hindustan Smyl 2020/2021 = Canucks being a contender

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    Fair enough.
     
  9. Pastor Of Muppetz

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    Completely agree...the Pettersson selection could be one of the biggest selections ever by the franchise (along with Burkes acquisition of the Sedins),..I can hardly wait to see the Quinn Hughes/EP combo on the PP next season.....The quality of the 'reality' picks will exceed that of the consensus picks (my .02cents).
     
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    linden vs keith, as in “that guy blew two 3-1 series leads over me and was terrible in the playoffs. no way in hell we’re drafting a tkachuk on my watch”?
     
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    Pettersson and Boeser are the two best players in those lists. And we have them both. So I go with the picks Benning made!
     
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    In before a poster says that Boeser was the consensus pick and not Merkley. (or posters start changing the order)
     
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    Pretty sure Konecny was

    Also this is a pointless question
     
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    Konecny could be depending on what analysts you prefer, but Merkley was overall higher on average.

    This thread is just for fun.
     
  15. dim jim

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    Why not

    Pettersson, Boeser, Ehlers, Tkachuk, McCann and Hughes?
     
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    Because Pettersson and Boeser weren’t consensus picks based on who was still available on the board (and to a lesser extent Ehlers as well).
     
  17. boligno

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    May as well throw in Pastrnak
     
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  18. Pastor Of Muppetz

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    Exactly...this was inevitable in this thread.
     
  19. 50 Sheas of Grey

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    I’m surprised the results are so lopsided - I would have expected Nylander and Tkachuk to have offset some of the Boeser/Pettersson hype.

    Obviously a lot of this poll will depend on what Glass, Juolevi, and Merkley end up becoming.
     
  20. dim jim

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    Uh Ehlers/Nylander and Tkachuk were the clear consensus picks, Pasta wasn’t.

    I don’t see why we shouldn’t hold management accountable for not taking these guys if they’re the “super scouts” some of you guy say they are.
     
  21. infinitemile

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    Currently I mean you have to take reality right? The real question is: Nylander+Tkachuk or Boeser+Pettersson.

    Nylander and Tkachuk are probably good for about 130 points/82 games, maybe 140 in a couple years. Boeser+Pettersson are for 70 +EP40 production/82 games.

    We need much more data on Pettersson but quite honestly it seems like the sky is the limit and he could be pushing 90+ seasons as early as this year (!)

    Of course the absolutely infuriating part is that these picks were NOT mutually exclusive! We could have all 4 of these players!

    Tkachuk - Horvat - Boeser

    Goldobin - Pettersson - Nylander

    Okay I gotta stop.
     
  22. PG Canuck

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    Debatable.
     
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    I just think it's silly to list off each player that is currently the best and bemoan them. If we want to criticize our drafting, how about the fact that we don't currently have a single full time NHLer (in any org) drafted outside of the 1st round under Benning.
     
  24. Knight53

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    The one with 2 superstars (Pettersson + Boeser)

    Franchise 1C tilts it big time.
     
  25. y2kcanucks

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    I don’t think Glass was the consensus pick in 2017. I’d say Vilardi was.
     
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