Player Discussion Logan Brown

[Do Make Say Think]

That's incredibly optimistic.

I understand your overall point, but you're also slotting a ton of guys who've proven nothing into "the core". God forbid some of those guys bust out (or even fail to meet expectations) and we're in a world of trouble.

If we have a top line C, a top line W and a number 1D, I think the rebuild phase is over.

 

[stempniaksen]

If we have a top line C, a top line W and a number 1D, I think the rebuild phase is over.

Fair enough. Hockey (more than any other sport) is team game. I'm not convinced having 3 (or 4 or 5) good/great players is enough of a base to build on. Obviously Brown becoming a 1C fills the biggest hole in the organization but I'd still be worried about the holes on D and in nets and would want more clarity before I'd be ready to say the rebuild is over.

 

[coladin]

Why would it be? I am a big believer in Mr. Brown. I want my Spezza 2.0, I am still angry we ran Jason out of town.

The rebuild being over just means the core is set and we can focus on the next phase, not that the team can now be considered a competitor.

Cool, never know around here!

I love that style of player, fun to watch and predictably will frustrate on occasion.

But he could be dynamite if he does what I think he can do

 

[OD99]

If we have a top line C, a top line W and a number 1D, I think the rebuild phase is over.

Almost but not quite IMO.

If Brown is #1C (not even a star) that is a great step however I think we also need the following to happen (no particular order) before we can think of fine tuning and gap filling.

1. Batherson to be top winger in the league...consistently dangerous.

2. White to continue to progress and be a legit #2C

3. Brady to progress and trend toward a dominant power forward

4. Wolanin to progress and prove to be clear top 4.

5. Bran to progress and prove to be a top 4 D

6. One of the goalies to step up and prove they are least a future #1...Hog seems most likely in short term and then we hope someone is able to push to supplant him because then we have a great problem.

That gives us 4/6 of a solid top 6 and then 3/4 of a solid top 4D with a future starter in net.

If all the above can pan out (far from q sure thing) then we can hopefully have the luxury of Norris, JBD, etc...panning out and we have truly built from youth.

Our early 2020 pick is the icing on the cake plus whatever else we can gain from that draft.

That is how I see it anyway...this year will show a lot in how the rebuild is going.

 

[jhutter]

Almost but not quite IMO.

If Brown is #1C (not even a star) that is a great step however I think we also need the following to happen (no particular order) before we can think of fine tuning and gap filling.

1. Batherson to be top winger in the league...consistently dangerous.

2. White to continue to progress and be a legit #2C

3. Brady to progress and trend toward a dominant power forward

4. Wolanin to progress and prove to be clear top 4.

5. Bran to progress and prove to be a top 4 D

6. One of the goalies to step up and prove they are least a future #1...Hog seems most likely in short term and then we hope someone is able to push to supplant him because then we have a great problem.

That gives us 4/6 of a solid top 6 and then 3/4 of a solid top 4D with a future starter in net.

If all the above can pan out (far from q sure thing) then we can hopefully have the luxury of Norris, JBD, etc...panning out and we have truly built from youth.

Our early 2020 pick is the icing on the cake plus whatever else we can gain from that draft.

That is how I see it anyway...this year will show a lot in how the rebuild is going.

I see 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 as being possible, if not probable. Batherson becoming a top winger seems a bit of a stretch to me. He isn't a defensive specialist, and I don't see him putting up 70+ points. Regardless of his ceiling, he's a very valuable and bright prospect.

Brown being a 1C would be fantastic, and would speed up the rebuild. Unfortunately, I don't see him being a top end 1C, rather, an "in-between" center, a la Turris and Brassard a few seasons ago. For the team to be secure at center with Brown being a weak 1C, I feel as though White at 2C would have to be one of the best 2Cs in the game.

I know it's getting tired, but a massive question mark in the rebuild is management and ownership. The team could have all of the pieces in the world and the greatest plan, but the inability to extend players and poor trades with bad motivations could make this rebuild perpetual.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I guess in my mind a the rebuild phase is all about identifying and signing your pillars, the key core players: top C, top W, top D and number 1 G.

Obviously that isn't enough to go from bottom dweller to solid but I think that once you have those players (on top of all your other prospects who have their own projections) you can look ahead.

I guess maybe saying the rebuild is over is over-stating it, I just think that once you have your key players you are done with phase 1.

 

[Micklebot]

I guess in my mind a the rebuild phase is all about identifying and signing your pillars, the key core players: top C, top W, top D and number 1 G.

Obviously that isn't enough to go from bottom dweller to solid but I think that once you have those players (on top of all your other prospects who have their own projections) you can look ahead.

I guess maybe saying the rebuild is over is over-stating it, I just think that once you have your key players you are done with phase 1.

I guess the distiction is that identifying the pieces you're going to bet on isn't enough to say the rebuild is complete.

We've identified Tkachuk and Chabot as core pillars of the rebuild already, and if Brown pans out, he'll be added to that group. Then you have supporting core pieces, presumably Batherson, Norris, Formenton, Brannstrom, JBD, Thomson, maybe Wolanin and or Jaros, along with a goalie or two.

Right now, a lot has to happen to get that group of guys to the point where I'd call the rebuild over, even if we assume Brown becomes a legit #1 center.

But, if you define rebuild as assembling the pieces you're going to be on, maybe we are already there, and we're in that next phase of development. I mean, if all the above pan out and meet or exceed expectations, we have about a dozen of the top pieces out of a 21 man roster. Filling out that last 8 or 9 bottom pair, bottom 6 group isn't what you would typically consider part of a rebuild.

 

[Cosmix]

One is a 6'0 180lb winger, the other is a 6'6 230lb centre. They could both just have "Brown" on their jersey and the majority of hockey fans should be able to tell them apart.

Except for that retired announcer we had to listen to.

 

[Boud]

One is a 6'0 180lb winger, the other is a 6'6 230lb centre. They could both just have "Brown" on their jersey and the majority of hockey fans should be able to tell them apart.

We should add Dustin Brown to the mix

Brown line

 

[6stringmofo]

https://www.tsn.ca/forward-logan-br...rookie-camp-with-something-to-prove-1.1361096

 

[aragorn]

IMO Ottawa has three good centres now for their future in L. Brown, C. White & J. Norris. I also think they have three very good LWers in Tkachuk, Formenton & Paul & I think they have two or maybe three good RWers in Batherson, Davidsson & Pinto when he matures & becomes NHL ready, I also like Veronneau on RW.

On defence, I think they have a star in the making in Chabot & potentially two good LD in Bransstrom & Wolanin. And on RD they have at least three good young RD in Thomson, JBD & Jaros. I assume not all of these guys will reach their potential but they have enough depth to fill spots should these guys falter.

They have a handful of goalies with potential in Hogberg, Gustavsson, Daccord & Sogaard although I think they should go after Askorov in the 2020 draft. IMO he has #1 goalie star potential. They seem deep in a lot of positions & still have two more drafts to add to this stock of good young prospects.

 

[RaMai]

He looks like he's in the best shape he's ever been, he's also already shown he can hockey...he will play a great rookie season!

 

[Masked]

One is a 6'0 180lb winger, the other is a 6'6 230lb centre. They could both just have "Brown" on their jersey and the majority of hockey fans should be able to tell them apart.

Especially since Bob Cole retired.

 

[Micklebot]

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