Line Combos: Line Combinations & Point Projections - Early Edish

[Volica]

Welp.
This is probably it for this roster. Prospect camp has started, and main camp is right around the corner.

Let's see how good people's crystal balls are or how pro they are at putting together this rag tag group of mediocre talent.

IN THIS THREAD:

Post you 2021-2022 Flames opening night roster.
Post the points each player will have in brackets beside their name.
For goalies, games, wins, SV%

Mock for copying based solely on cap and last year's points; reminder that was a shortened season, if you're looking to make a full year comparison for most player, multiply by 1.46.

Matthew Tkachuk (43) - Sean Monahan (28) - Johnny Gaudreau (49)
Milan Lucic (23) - Mikael Backlund (32) - Blake Coleman (31)
Andrew Mangiapane (32) - Elias Lindholm (47) - Dillon Dube (22)
Trevor Lewis (10) - Brad Richardson (4) - Tyler Pitlick (16)
Brett Ritchie (8)

Noah Hanifin (15) - Rasmus Andersson (21)
Nikita Zadorov (8) - Chris Tanev (12)
Juuso Valimaki (11) - Erik Gudbranson (4)
Oliver Kylington (1) - Mike Stone (4)

Jacob Markstrom (43G, 22W, 0.904 SV%)
Dan Vladar (5G, 2W, 0.866 SV%)

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[InfinityIggy]

Matthew Tkachuk (73) - Sean Monahan (80) - Johnny Gaudreau (103)
Milan Lucic (21) - Mikael Backlund (44) - Blake Coleman (46)
Andrew Mangiapane (49) - Elias Lindholm (73) - Dillon Dube (42)
Trevor Lewis (8) - Brad Richardson (7) - Tyler Pitlick (12)
Brett Ritchie (29)

Noah Hanifin (34) - Rasmus Andersson (41)
Nikita Zadorov (14) - Chris Tanev (20)
Juuso Valimaki (22) - Erik Gudbranson (5)
Oliver Kylington (0) - Mike Stone (9)

Jacob Markstrom (69G, 43W, 0.915 SV%)
Dan Vladar (13G, 8W, 0.901 SV%)

 

[Mobiandi]

Matthew Tkachuk (71) - Sean Monahan (38) - Johnny Gaudreau (91)
Milan Lucic (25) - Mikael Backlund (48) - Blake Coleman (33)
Andrew Mangiapane (42) - Elias Lindholm (75) - Dillon Dube (43)
Trevor Lewis (11) - Brad Richardson (7) - Tyler Pitlick (12)
Brett Ritchie (3)

Noah Hanifin (30) - Rasmus Andersson (32)
Nikita Zadorov (13) - Chris Tanev (14)
Juuso Valimaki (22) - Erik Gudbranson (3)
Oliver Kylington (0) - Mike Stone (7)

Jacob Markstrom (69G, 41W, 0.909 SV%)
Dan Vladar (13G, 4W, 0.887 SV%)

 

[Volica]

You guys can also move around the roster to represent the lines as you seem fit.

 

[Darth Vladar]

Johnny (89) - Lindy (81) - Chucky (80)
Mangi (69) - Dube (44) - Coleman (65)
Mony (48) - Backs (42) - Lucic (28)
Lewis (?) - Richardson (12) - Pitlick (?)
Ritchie (?)

Hanifin (41) - Ras (35)
Vali (22) - Tanev (18)
Zad (14) - Guddy (4)
Kylington (8) - Stone (6)

Markstrom (70G, 39W, 0.923 SV%)
Darth Vladar (12G, 6W, 0.899 SV%)

EDIT: I updated my lines to put Mony on the 3rd line with Backs and Lucic, and adjusted my projected point totals accordingly. I suddenly don't mind that lineup, but if anyone gets hurt for any extended period of time, we're pretty much f*cked lol.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

With little to no thought behind it (as per usual when I post) here's mine.

Gaudreau (79) - Lindholm (71) - Tkachuk (74)
Mangiapane (49) - Monahan (62) - Coleman (48)
Pelletier (23) - Backlund (42) - Dube (31)
Lucic (22) - Richardson (12) - Pitlick (12)
x Ritchie, Lewis

Hanifin (34) - Tanev (24)
Valimaki (21) - Andersson (28)
Zadorov (144 pim) - Gudbranson (873 icings)
x Kylington (popcorn flavoured tears) Stone (lol tenure)

Markstrom (52 gs, 34 wins, 0.916 sv%)
Darth Vladar (30 gs, 14 wins, 0.901 sv%)

 

[super6646]

What I hope for:

Gaudreau(80)-Lindholm(68)-Tkachuk(72)
Dube(38)-Monahan(49)-Phillips (41)
Mangiapane(50)-Backlund(47)-Coleman (39)
Lucic(18)-Richardson/lewis/gawdin(15)-Pitlick(16)

Hanifin(32)-Andersson (35)
Valimaki(26)-Tanev (15)
Zadorov(11)-Mackey (19)

What I expect:

Gaudreau(80)-Lindholm(68)-Tkachuk(71)
Mangiapane(44)-Monahan(52)-Coleman (41)
Dube(38)-Backlund(47)-Pitlick (25)
Lucic (18)-Richardson(15-)Lewis/Ritchie (12)

Hanifin(36)-Tanev (15)
Zadorov (12)-Andersson (28)
Valimaki (21)-Gudbrandson (9)

The first lineup is better, but we need to be big and Canadian.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

With little to no thought behind it (as per usual when I post) here's mine.

Gaudreau (79) - Lindholm (71) - Tkachuk (74)
Mangiapane (49) - Monahan (62) - Coleman (48)
Pelletier (23) - Backlund (42) - Dube (31)
Lucic (22) - Richardson (12) - Pitlick (12)
x Ritchie, Lewis

Hanifin (34) - Tanev (24)
Valimaki (21) - Andersson (28)
Zadorov (144 pim) - Gudbranson (873 icings)
x Kylington (popcorn flavoured tears) Stone (lol tenure)

Markstrom (52 gs, 34 wins, 0.916 sv%)
Darth Vladar (30 gs, 14 wins, 0.901 sv%)

Good job on this!

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Gaudreau (106) - Lindholm (85) - Tkachuk (89)
Mangiapane (55) - Backlund (52) - Coleman (42)
Monahan (40) - Dube (38) - Pitlick (27)
Lucic (19) - Richardson (21) - Lewis (17)

 

[Darth Vladar]

This is Mangi's breakout year, book it.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Gaudreau is in a contract year. Imagine he plays pretty focused. So is Tkachuk for that matter. Markstrom bounces back, Monahan does to some extent, Hanifin proves he can run the PP.

Johnny Gaudreau (94) - Elias Lindholm (76) - Matthew Tkachuk (69)
Andrew Mangiapane (54) - Sean Monahan (58) - Blake Coleman (49)
Milan Lucic (24) - Mikael Backlund (46) - Dillon Dube (36)
Brad Richardson (24) - Trevor Lewis (14) - Tyler Pitlick (24)
Brett Ritchie (16), Matthew Phillips(9)

Noah Hanifin (42) - Rasmus Andersson (36)
Juuso Valimaki (26) - Chris Tanev (22)
Nikita Zadorov (13) - Erik Gudbranson (7)
Oliver Kylington (9) - Mike Stone (6)

Jacob Markstrom (64GP, 39W, 0.922 SV%)
Dan Vladar (18GP, 11W, 0.914 SV%)

 

[DFF]

Gaudreau (80) Monahan (55) Coleman (50)
Mangi (48) Lindholm (72) Tkachuk (70)
Lucic (30) Backlund (42) Dube (35)
Pitlick (18) Richardson (15) Lewis (12)

Hanifin (42) Tanev (21)
Zadorov (12) Andersson (28)
Valimaki (18) Gudbranson (10)

Markstrom (40 wins, .910, 2.89)
Vladar (3wins, .895, 3.25)

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

This is Mangi's breakout year, book it.

Wasn't that last year?

 

[Darth Vladar]

Wasn't that last year?

I mean, I suppose he was on pace for 46 points in a full season. Is that "breakout" for us?

I can see Mangi and Coleman clicking on a line together and racking up points. I might actually change my line-up projections to have Dube in between them.

I've seen Dube listed as every single forward position. I don't know how often he was utilized as a center last season, but fwiw he took 13 faceoffs and won 8 of them. That could be a killer line, actually.

 

[Corpus X]

Not putting Sean Monahan in a position to score, a lot, is destroying his trade value and terrible asset management. He goes on the top line with Johnny and Coleman who both can dish to him. Putting him anywhere else, when people want him traded for something of value, is an Oiler move.

Johnny - Mony - Coleman
Tkachuk/Mangi - Lindholm - Mangi/Tkachuk
Lucic/Backlund/Dube
Pitlick/Lewis/Ritchie

Hanifin/Tanev
Zadorov/Anderson
Valimaki/Stone

Wolf
Nobody else is needed...
or
Markstrom
Vladar

 

[Darth Vladar]

Not putting Sean Monahan in a position to score, a lot, is destroying his trade value and terrible asset management. He goes on the top line with Johnny and Coleman who both can dish to him. Putting him anywhere else, when people want him traded for something of value, is an Oiler move.

Johnny - Mony - Coleman
Tkachuk/Mangi - Lindholm - Mangi/Tkachuk
Lucic/Backlund/Dube
Pitlick/Lewis/Ritchie

Hanifin/Tanev
Zadorov/Anderson
Valimaki/Stone

Wolf
Nobody else is needed...
or
Markstrom
Vladar

Assuming the plan is indeed to showcase him, then you'd probably do well to surround him with the best players possible to increase the chance of boosting his value, but that strategy could actually lower his value if he ends up being dead weight. You can put Mony is a position to score all you want, it doesn't mean he will. Playing with dependable vets like Backs and Looch could actually result in Mony playing a more balanced, reliable game, making him a more valuable piece for a contender (if our own season ends up being a write-off) than he would being carried in the top-six. I could see Mangi/Dube/Coleman and Mony/Backs/Looch being something more like a 2A/2B scenario, with either line capable of checking duties.

 

[Gritty]

Johnny (75) - Mony (53) - Coleman (49)
Tkachuk (69) - Lindholm (61) - Mangi (45)
Lucic (22) - Backlund (48) - Dube (39)
Richardson (14)- Lewis (15) - Pitlick (17)

Hanifin (42) -Tanev (18)
Zadorov (12) - Anderson (38)
Valimaki (20) - Stone (11)
Gudbranson (3)

Markstrom
Vladar

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Not putting Sean Monahan in a position to score, a lot, is destroying his trade value and terrible asset management. He goes on the top line with Johnny and Coleman who both can dish to him. Putting him anywhere else, when people want him traded for something of value, is an Oiler move.

Johnny - Mony - Coleman
Tkachuk/Mangi - Lindholm - Mangi/Tkachuk
Lucic/Backlund/Dube
Pitlick/Lewis/Ritchie

Hanifin/Tanev
Zadorov/Anderson
Valimaki/Stone

Wolf
Nobody else is needed...
or
Markstrom
Vladar

I mean depends if the goal is to win hockey games or to salvage Money's value. If you are solely focused on trying to up his trade value then sure, continue to tie him to Gaudreau and inflate his point totals. But if you wanna put out a roster that gives us the best chance to win he should be nowhere near Gaudreau on our 1st line that will consistently face the top players on opposing teams.

Sure if we're struggling and need a spark put them back together for a period, or try him with Gaudreau and Coleman for a preseason game and maybe the chemistry is undeniable, but constructing our roster around protecting Monahan's trade value is misguided and not the best for our team as a whole imo. Maaaaybe if we're really trying to move Monahan so we throw him on Johnny's line for the first two weeks of the year or right before the deadline I would understand, but only in those specific cases and not long term.

Monahan still should be on the PP, probably PP1. But he should not be on the top-line 5v5. It's not fair to Johnny

 

[Corpus X]

I mean depends if the goal is to win hockey games or to salvage Money's value. If you are solely focused on trying to up his trade value then sure, continue to tie him to Gaudreau and inflate his point totals. But if you wanna put out a roster that gives us the best chance to win he should be nowhere near Gaudreau on our 1st line that will consistently face the top players on opposing teams.

Sure if we're struggling and need a spark put them back together for a period, or try him with Gaudreau and Coleman for a preseason game and maybe the chemistry is undeniable, but constructing our roster around protecting Monahan's trade value is misguided and not the best for our team as a whole imo. Maaaaybe if we're really trying to move Monahan so we throw him on Johnny's line for the first two weeks of the year or right before the deadline I would understand, but only in those specific cases and not long term.

Monahan still should be on the PP, probably PP1. But he should not be on the top-line 5v5. It's not fair to Johnny

Monahan plays well healthy. People are placing his injured play with his healthy play and creating a narrative to support a contrarian view. When Monahan plays like poo when he is healthy I'll entertain these discussions. Until then... I shall do what I came here to do since I came out of that toaster, continue to save lives.

 

[DomBarr]

They have a 50/50 chance but I picked
Peel my eyes out before I watch this trainwreck.
because the line up as is with Sutter coaching has a chance BUT this is a slow team that will NOT be exciting or interesting to watch at all...

 

[Yepthatsme]

Gaudreau(81)-Lindholm(77)-Tkachuk(84)
Mangiapane(56)-Monahan(63)-Coleman(49)
Dube(36)-Backlund(43)-Pitlick/Phillips(20/28)
Lucic(20)-whoever(15)-whoever(12)

Hanifin(53)-Andersson(36)
Valimaki(24)-Tanev(18)
Zadorov(13)-Gudbranson/Mackey(4/12)

Notes
-Hanifin paced for 45 points once Ward was fired and brought his inability to use our D with him. With Gio’s power play time being distributed to both Hanifin and Anderson likely, I see him (and Andersson) ‘breaking out’ on the scoreboard
-Tkachuk with fans in the stands, in a contract year, and with something to prove leads our team on the ice and in points. Leading to being re-signed and getting the C.
-that top line has to be absolutely dominant to stay together, and that’s at both ends of the ice. We can’t waste our 3 best forwards being on the same line if they don’t completely out score and tilt the ice against their competition nightly. To everyone’s chagrin, Gaudreau should be put with Monahan and Coleman if it doesn’t work, or maybe Tkachuk-Monahan-Coleman for a Sutter-esque line
-Dube struggled as a top 6 wing last year, I don’t think he’s ready to be a centre until he strengthens up, and he definitely is not ready to be a top 6C.
-Defence pairs are based on Valimaki taking a big step in camp and showing lots of improvement, if not we see something that looks like the following and we will be much worse for it:

Hanifin-Tanev
Zadorov-Andersson
Valimaki-Gudbranson/Mackey

 

[Mobiandi]

If Kylington can't make it on the team, I want to see Kinnvall. After Coronato, he's the prospect I'm most excited for

 

[DFF]

I mean depends if the goal is to win hockey games or to salvage Money's value. If you are solely focused on trying to up his trade value then sure, continue to tie him to Gaudreau and inflate his point totals. But if you wanna put out a roster that gives us the best chance to win he should be nowhere near Gaudreau on our 1st line that will consistently face the top players on opposing teams.

Sure if we're struggling and need a spark put them back together for a period, or try him with Gaudreau and Coleman for a preseason game and maybe the chemistry is undeniable, but constructing our roster around protecting Monahan's trade value is misguided and not the best for our team as a whole imo. Maaaaybe if we're really trying to move Monahan so we throw him on Johnny's line for the first two weeks of the year or right before the deadline I would understand, but only in those specific cases and not long term.

Monahan still should be on the PP, probably PP1. But he should not be on the top-line 5v5. It's not fair to Johnny

Problem is fit. Monahan really doesn’t fit anywhere without Johnny

If the Johnny/Monahan combo works, they have 2 good lines. If you split them, you only have one good line

The solution is to trade Monahan but that didn’t and won’t happen until he produces again

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

If markstrom plays well, they can make it in.
It all comes down to goaltending.

 

[viper0220]

Problem is fit. Monahan really doesn’t fit anywhere without Johnny

If the Johnny/Monahan combo works, they have 2 good lines. If you split them, you only have one good line

The solution is to trade Monahan but that didn’t and won’t happen until he produces again

This is a major problem and it is true. Monahan needs to be carried like a baby.