Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II
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Amazing Kreiderman
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fascinating to hear this coming from Brett Howden's number 1 fan.
what games are you watching Dave?
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GeorgeKaplan
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It really feels to me like Strome is going to be the 2C until they decide to call up Chytil
Harbour Dog
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It's amazing. The vast majority of decisions that Quinn has made, are either obviously good, or easily defended.
But this handling of Lias is absurd.
GAGLine
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It's fine. Lias isn't ready for 2nd line center duties. There's no need to rush him.
Harbour Dog
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I'd agree that he's not, but I would prefer he get meaningful minutes, even if it has to be at wing.
It is not a fine line between getting a shot at 2C and getting buried in the lineup for the foreseeable future. They are different ends of the spectrum.
If Quinn hasn't already seen a kid that deserves to get 10+ minutes a night of even strength time, then I'm not sure Lias is going to be able to step up enough to convince him.
Ultimately, I see Lias as a high end 3C if he develops well, but the kid has come in and earned more of an opportunity. With everything else Quinn has said and done, this decision just sticks out as being odd.
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kovazub94
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Again, there’s no evidence of negative bias, unless people are seeking it. Neither Andersson nor Howden are ready for 2C and patience is needed to protect prospects from being put in roles they are not ready for. There’s no such concern with Strome and this is why he’s 2C “by default”. However, the ice time between the former two will be allocated based on performance. It’s been only two (!!!) games. 1/41 of a season. 3% rounded. Let’s not project onto the whole season, and wait for a more reasonable sample to do it.
SA16
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How do we know he is not ready without trying it? We know Strome can't do it either. I don't think he will be irreparably harmed if he plays on the 2nd line for a week, performs poorly, and then gets put back into a bottom line role. They may think he's not ready based on practice and such but if they don't actually try it they'll never know for sure.
Machinehead
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Meanwhile, Strome gets handed to the 2c role because he exists.
Quinn's system is ok, I guess, but his usage is par for the course stupid.
Machinehead
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Yeah, that's my whole thing. It's not like these kids have any legitimate competition.
They should, but different can of worms.
everyone talks about quinn's double standards with players...but funny how constantly the same decisions are judged as good coaching or bad coaching based on whether or not the move results in the guy people like better getting more ice time...is that not a double standard?
first it was pionk is playing over deangelo cause quinn doesn't value talent and only cares about blind hard work...then fast forward and he inflated pionk's value to the point that he got us Trouba, meanwhile deangelo became a better player because of the tough love and is now a top 4 guy...
then the outrage was vesey is playing over buchnevich cause quinn only trusts college players from boston. and talent doesn't matter...fast forward and vesey is gone and buch had a great 2nd half and is now on the top line...
now the outrage is that he is playing howden and strome over lias cause quinn hates puppies or whatever...
quinn was right the first 2 times so maybe people should take a deep breath and show a little patience to see how things pan out...
first it was pionk is playing over deangelo cause quinn doesn't value talent and only cares about blind hard work...then fast forward and he inflated pionk's value to the point that he got us Trouba, meanwhile deangelo became a better player because of the tough love and is now a top 4 guy...
then the outrage was vesey is playing over buchnevich cause quinn only trusts college players from boston. and talent doesn't matter...fast forward and vesey is gone and buch had a great 2nd half and is now on the top line...
now the outrage is that he is playing howden and strome over lias cause quinn hates puppies or whatever...
quinn was right the first 2 times so maybe people should take a deep breath and show a little patience to see how things pan out...
Machinehead
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Quinn sheltered Pionk heavily the second half of last year.
GAGLine
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I'm sure he'll get his chance when they feel he's ready for it. It's a long season and we've only just begun.
Jaromir Jagr
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I complained like crazy last year about the way Quinn handled Buch and ADA, but it seems to have actually worked. Could it have been done quicker - I guess that's a possibility - but we can't assume that. Quinn seems to know what he's doing and thus far, which buttons to push.
My first instinct is to not love how he is utilizing Lias 2 games in - but I'll defer to him and trust his methods until he gives me a reason not to.
My first instinct is to not love how he is utilizing Lias 2 games in - but I'll defer to him and trust his methods until he gives me a reason not to.
offdacrossbar
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fil has the talent but no clue how to use it. hes big and fast but so is chris kreider.
chad has the smarts and the motor but the talent isn't there. the wheels and the dynamic 2nd gear is what's missing.
howden is in between. smart and big but the hands are lacking and the vision is so-so.
chad has the smarts and the motor but the talent isn't there. the wheels and the dynamic 2nd gear is what's missing.
howden is in between. smart and big but the hands are lacking and the vision is so-so.
Ghost of jas
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Puppy hate is a scourge that needs to be eradicated.
Am a bit disappointed at the comments. Can't lie. I think that Andersson's camp and early play should have earned him more minutes. I would love to see what he can do with Kakko and Kreider and already love what I have seen from him as Lemieux's pivot.
Maybe. But he is however ready for 3rd line duties. And has shown good results when paired with Lemieux.
if lias keeps doing what he's doing he'll find himself on that second line. No one cares what happens to strome here. he's failing at 2c, but better him failing at 2c than lias. We're only 2 games into the season folks.
You're in front ofQuinn. U have to convince him lias deserves the 2c or 3c role and ice time based on his play alone.
What's your argument?.
What's your argument?.
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I don't get the "Buchnevich and Deangelo are better players because of Quinn" narrative.
The core "issues" still remain: Buchnevich is still engaged about as much as Buchnevich wants to be engaged, which means sometimes he is and sometimes he isn't (and like Kreider, this will always be an issue) , and Deangelo was pretty much the same player in April that he was in October (and almost certainly still a dick).
As far as I can tell the biggest service Quinn has done for them is to stop giving their ice time to inferior players.
The core "issues" still remain: Buchnevich is still engaged about as much as Buchnevich wants to be engaged, which means sometimes he is and sometimes he isn't (and like Kreider, this will always be an issue) , and Deangelo was pretty much the same player in April that he was in October (and almost certainly still a dick).
As far as I can tell the biggest service Quinn has done for them is to stop giving their ice time to inferior players.
haveandare
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Atrocious argument you literally did nothing to highlight his play.
I want to see people here actually present an argument based on specific plays instead of just a general "hes second best" line.
Not saying he isn't second best. I'm saying what I'm saying...which is provide an actual argument
Watch his next game if u have to wait. Make a few notes.
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