OT: Let's talk about movies (and TV shows)... Part III

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WhiskeySeven*

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Don't you dare compare this to Goodfellas and Casino. Without the sex and drugs this is 3 hours of poorly written, uninteresting characters with no plot. Take the big names away and this is a straight to tv soft core porn. None of the characters developed in any meaningful way, they were shallow and boring at the start and surprise they were exactly the same at the end!

I guess all that shock value made you **** your pants and give it an "8" but I will go watch "Blow" for a well written, exciting tale of semi-true debauchery.

I think that was the ultimate point of WoWS. It was making fun of the characters and their terribleness, they actually were shallow, inhuman pieces of crap who didn't even think about their victims.

Not that it makes it a fantastic movie but it's a pretty funny romp. I wouldn't be happy if Jordan Belfort got the biopic treatment anyway, he doesn't deserve it.
 

Alexdaman

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My Ender's Game review.

I finally caught this movie. I was hoping thet the reviewers and the fan consensus was wrong, as I love space opera and I wanted this to be excellent. After having seen this, I think it was not as bad as people say, but ultimately the stupidity in the script is too high for this to work.

Problems:
- Copying the Kobayashi Maru;
- harrison ford looks like he needs to sleep, and I don't get why he loved Ender so much from the get go;
- We think the bugs are coming back but then we learn that we are invading their home planet?
- asteroids and rings don't work like they do in the film; Also, using asteroids to fight battles in space is no longer original;
- In 50 years the human beings go from desperate defenders to having technological superiority and being able to project force across many light years?
- being "a third" is underdeveloped and should not be in the movie;
- Why the urgency to invade?
- all of the african american characters are dumb;
- You can't make a heat shield out of drones;
- The final battle was anticlimactic;
- All this time preparing to fight the bugs, and then no time spent fighting the bugs;

Grade: D

Why the **** did you even watch it? Someone would have to play 15$/h for me sit in front of a screen to watch this crap.
 

WhiskeySeven*

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Why the **** did you even watch it? Someone would have to play 15$/h for me sit in front of a screen to watch this crap.
The book was infantile when I read it at ~15, the movie looked putrid (and gave away the big twist in the trailer).
 

DAChampion

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Why the **** did you even watch it? Someone would have to play 15$/h for me sit in front of a screen to watch this crap.

Why does anybody ever watch a bad movie?

Because they're not sure it's bad prior to watching it. I was hoping that this would be the kind of movie where I disagree with rotten tomatoes, which is a lot of movies.
 

Lshap

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I think that was the ultimate point of WoWS. It was making fun of the characters and their terribleness, they actually were shallow, inhuman pieces of crap who didn't even think about their victims.

Not that it makes it a fantastic movie but it's a pretty funny romp. I wouldn't be happy if Jordan Belfort got the biopic treatment anyway, he doesn't deserve it.

No one loves Scorsese more than me (well...maybe his wife, and Leo DiCaprio) but WoWS left me cold. Impressed by the standard Scorsese production quality, yes, but totally unmoved by anyone in the story. If I'm going to go on a three-hour journey with a cast of characters, I have to give a **** about somebody, and the complete lack of redeeming qualities of everyone onscreen was a fatal flaw. I accept the argument that the film INTENDED them to be self-absorbed dicks, but it's still a built-in limitation. No story can be as effective when the characters are painted with thick, unsubtle strokes. In fact, the main story of any film is the journey of the characters. If they go nowhere, neither does the film. In that respect, WoWS went nowhere very fast and in style.

Contrast that with Her, a surprisingly smart, thought-provoking story that was rich with character and depth and feeling. I know we're talking apples and oranges, but while WoWS was a sporadic sugar-rush, Her remains with me on a deeper level months after seeing it. A closer comparison of unlikeable characters would be American Hustle or -- one of my all-time faves -- 1997's Boogie Nights, both featuring a slate of dumb, selfish people who were more interesting because they actually developed/changed/learned from beginning to end.

And yet, having said all that I still think Leo DiCaprio should've won the Oscar. Because when you isolate him from the film, his performance was the most riveting. Unfortunately, in the context of the film he was paddling madly to keep the ship moving.
 

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In 30 years someone is going to make a movie about Leonardo DiCaprio and the actor who plays him will win an Oscar for it.
 

uiCk

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Minimalism is still an extremely underrated art. Well, among some people.

what is movie minimalism ?

And Gravity is fast paced, and has no room for viewers imagination, since it's "OMG have to escape this" stressful moments after one another, submerged by constant visual imaginary, which to me is not "minimalism". Jim Jarmusch flicks are the only ones that i can think of right now as to having a "minimalist" feel to them. Lost in Translation is another.

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hototogisu

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what is movie minimalism ?

And Gravity is fast paced, and has no room for viewers imagination, since it's "OMG have to escape this" stressful moments after one another, submerged by constant visual imaginary, which to me is not "minimalism". Jim Jarmusch flicks are the only ones that i can think of right now as to having a "minimalist" feel to them. Lost in Translation is another.

Gravity's plot, for example. It is very minimalist. To a lot of people this is unsatisfactory, because conventional wisdom says Best Picture movies must have intricately woven webs of dense plotting and depth of character. I think there's an art to saying more with less (in terms of story in Gravity's case, if not its visuals) and Gravity did just that.

There are plenty of examples of minimalism in movies that extend beyond Jarmusch (though certainly a valid example). Obviously they're more common in 'arty' movies. And it seems like whenever it seeps into Hollywood movies it's shunned because a lot of people demand "more". The Artist was frequently criticized at Oscar time a couple of years ago too for essentially the same reasons.
 

uiCk

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Gravity's plot, for example. It is very minimalist. To a lot of people this is unsatisfactory, because conventional wisdom says Best Picture movies must have intricately woven webs of dense plotting and depth of character. I think there's an art to saying more with less (in terms of story in Gravity's case, if not its visuals) and Gravity did just that.

There are plenty of examples of minimalism in movies that extend beyond Jarmusch (though certainly a valid example). Obviously they're more common in 'arty' movies. And it seems like whenever it seeps into Hollywood movies it's shunned because a lot of people demand "more". The Artist was frequently criticized at Oscar time a couple of years ago too for essentially the same reasons.
There is defiantly an art to saying more with less, i just don't think Gravity succeeded, well at least not to my liking. I get it, but would argue the 'content' you take out of Gravity's Plot was minimalistic, but not in the good "art" way (came out as awfully cheesy and generic plot, aka Cast Away)

And now going to have to rewatch Dead Man 1995, possibly my favorite Depp movie.
 

hototogisu

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There is defiantly an art to saying more with less, i just don't think Gravity succeeded, well at least not to my liking. I get it, but would argue the 'content' you take out of Gravity's Plot was minimalistic, but not in the good "art" way (came out as awfully cheesy and generic plot, aka Cast Away)

And now going to have to rewatch Dead Man 1995, possibly my favorite Depp movie.

If you didn't like it you didn't like it, nothing I can do about it and I respect that. It just disappoints me to see people (not necessarily you) swatting it aside because "there's no plot". As if that's the be-all end-all to a movie.

Dead Man is indeed a beauty. One of my favorites.
 

Agnostic

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what is movie minimalism ?

And Gravity is fast paced, and has no room for viewers imagination, since it's "OMG have to escape this" stressful moments after one another, submerged by constant visual imaginary, which to me is not "minimalism". Jim Jarmusch flicks are the only ones that i can think of right now as to having a "minimalist" feel to them. Lost in Translation is another.

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The funny thing is in my oscar conversations today and in the run up to last night I have spoken to no fewer than 10 people who had more or less the same view of Gravity.

Stunning graphics
Lame plot
Meh overall

Maybe these opinions are so indifferent as to never reach IMDB but I have to wonder the demographic that pumped the score up. And whether it's even valid at all.
 

DAChampion

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Gravity is pumped up across the board.

IMDB: 8.2/10
Rotten tomatoes critics: 97%, with a 9/10 rating.
Box office: 708 million on a 100 million dollar budget, strong domestically and internationally
Box office weekends: typical dropoffs of 30% from one week to the next, in contrast to 50% for most movies, a sign of strong word of mouth.
Oscars: 7 oscar wins including best director
Sight and sound: 2nd best picture of 2013, from all movies in the world.

At some point, you should reflect on your failure to enjoy gravity, and realize that you're probably the one with the problem. It is a movie loved by the general audience, the marginally educated audience (IMDB), average critics (rotten tomatoes), and the most knowledgeable and pretentious critics in the world (sight and sound poll).
 

Team_Spirit

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Didn't like Gravity as well. I guess i should also reflect on my failure to enjoy the movie. Wolf of Wall Street was pretty good. I need to see Dallas BC and 12 years.

Just finished House of Cards(in 11 days) and i loved it! Im sure real politics are even more ****ed up.

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“I used to be on the edge of the frame, Now, I’m only three feet away.”
 

uiCk

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Gravity is pumped up across the board.

IMDB: 8.2/10
Rotten tomatoes critics: 97%, with a 9/10 rating.
Box office: 708 million on a 100 million dollar budget, strong domestically and internationally
Box office weekends: typical dropoffs of 30% from one week to the next, in contrast to 50% for most movies, a sign of strong word of mouth.
Oscars: 7 oscar wins including best director
Sight and sound: 2nd best picture of 2013, from all movies in the world.

At some point, you should reflect on your failure to enjoy gravity, and realize that you're probably the one with the problem. It is a movie loved by the general audience, the marginally educated audience (IMDB), average critics (rotten tomatoes), and the most knowledgeable and pretentious critics in the world (sight and sound poll).

Failure to enjoy gravity? i "enjoyed" it, and so did everyone who's criticized it. Criticism stems from not being able to criticize it.
 

DAChampion

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Failure to enjoy gravity? i "enjoyed" it, and so did everyone who's criticized it. Criticism stems from not being able to criticize it.

Way to miss the damn point, there is a post just above yours from someone saying they did not enjoy it.

I sometimes wonder why I bother discussing things on this board. So many myopic nitpickers. I recall that the average person scores ~1000 when and if they take the SATs, they can't nail the reading comprehension section.
 

FF de Mars

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I know this thread is about movies but I thought it was the best place to ask this question. Does anybody know the best free software to get rid of whatever virus that makes random words appear like blue underlinded hyperlinks. I tried Ad-Aware but it doesn't do the job anymore. Thanks a lot !

BTW I think House of Cards is awsome ! And I'm so glad a bunch of tv shows started playing again since last week.

PS I didn't enjoy Gravity either. I didn't even finish the movie because it was so shallow and boring. Nice special effects thought.
 
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