Lebrun: If Crosby wins another Stanley Cup, he will then become better than Toews

[Toene]

Clarification on the context of the tweet would be needed to be able to respond properly. I will say, though, that this is exactly why the "Chicago Dynasty" threads were ridiculous. If the Penguins win the cup this year, you'd have two dynasties in less than a decade under those dumbed down standards.

Like in the 80s.

 

[Cory Trevor]

I'm public enemy no.1 Crosby haters on this board over the better part of the past 7 years.


This is so funny it's laughable.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

He's always been better than Toews.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't understand what the hell this is even meant to imply.

There are some players who are known for doing everything it takes to win rather than individual skill and production. Think of the difference in perception between Marcel Dionne and Steve Yzerman.

In the context of the discussion they were having, it makes perfect sense. Why people are treating LeBrun like Eklund here instead of the best insider this side of Bobby Mac, I don't know.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

You know what?

Fine.

Let's give Sid his third Cup/second Smythe so we can finally drill it into the collective hockey consciousness that Crosby is better than Toews.

 

[Cory Trevor]

You know what?

Fine.

Let's give Sid his third Cup/second Smythe so we can finally drill it into the collective hockey consciousness that Crosby is better than Toews.

It's finally getting back to it. Finally correcting the overcorrection of defensive play from a forward.

Toews is an overpaid 60 point player. A great leader, but that doesn't change the fact the hockey intelligentsia is finally getting their comeuppance.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lebrun said that in the context of winning. Not anything else.

So would that apply to Malkin as well?

 

[Kranix]

There are some players who are known for doing everything it takes to win rather than individual skill and production. Think of the difference in perception between Marcel Dionne and Steve Yzerman.

In the context of the discussion they were having, it makes perfect sense. Why people are treating LeBrun like Eklund here instead of the best insider this side of Bobby Mac, I don't know.

Marcel Dionne should have traded for better players, but he didn't care enough about winning.

 

[Finesse]

Wow. Pretty funny.

 

[Seanaconda]

So would that apply to Malkin as well?

If it doesn't make malkin pass toews(because not captain) it would have to make him pass Kane (second liners who malkin has better individual awards)

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

What? Better than Toews? So he is worse than Toews at winning right now? His cups are worth more than Toew's?

 

[Battle Lin]

sid is almost better than two toews...like i would take a toews and a toews over a sid on my team, but its pretty close

 

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sid is almost better than two toews...like i would take a toews and a toews over a sid on my team, but its pretty close

I'd rather pay Sid $8.7 million than pay $20 million for two Toewses.

 

[PensandCaps]

Toews isn't even better than Ovi who has 0 cups. lol. He's not top ten at his OWN position, Centre.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

He already is! Toews might be the most overrated player of all time. I would take Malkin over him everyday of the week let alone Crosby.

 

[Bronson]

Crosby has always been better than Toews.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

*kane

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

The Toews that has been knocked out in the first round 2 years in a row? Pens team has not had a first round exit under Crosby and Malkin. 4 Cup finals and more playoff and regular season wins than any team since they have been on the team. Don't even have to talk about the Art Ross and Hart trophies that both Malkin and Crosby have won.

 

[Gurglesons]

The Toews that has been knocked out in the first round 2 years in a row? Pens team has not had a first round exit under Crosby and Malkin. 4 Cup finals and more playoff and regular season wins than any team since they have been on the team. Don't even have to talk about the Art Ross and Hart trophies that both Malkin and Crosby have won.

Uh. 2007. 2012. 2014.

 

[NoMessi]

Sub Crosby in for Toews... and the Blackhawks certainly still win those cups.

Sub Toews in for Crosby... I'm not so sure the Penguins win both cups.

Not to take anything from Toews... he's a hell of a player and he had a huge huge role in those cup wins.

There is no chance in the world that they win it in 2009 without Crosby or Malkin. Both had legendary runs that year.

Last year they might have won without one of them, and quite frankly maybe without them both if they got decent replacements.

 

[deepelemblues]

Sub Crosby in for Toews... and the Blackhawks certainly still win those cups.

Sub Toews in for Crosby... I'm not so sure the Penguins win both cups.

Not to take anything from Toews... he's a hell of a player and he had a huge huge role in those cup wins.

Sub crosby in for toews and the blackhawks would probably be in the finals this year going for like their 7th cup

And if they weren't they'd still have like 6 cups anyway

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

Uh. 2007. 2012. 2014.

You're partially right

2014 was a second round choke to the rangers.

 

[JaegerDice]

You're partially right

2014 was a second round choke to the rangers.

Which they followed up with a 1st round exit to the Rangers in 2015.

 

[JaegerDice]

Sub crosby in for toews and the blackhawks would probably be in the finals this year going for like their 7th cup

And if they weren't they'd still have like 6 cups anyway

'The Blackhawks would be more successful with Crosby instead of Toews' has roughly as much evidentiary basis as 'Toews could score 100 points if he didn't concentrate so much on defense'.



Argue what we know, based on actual events that have taken place on the material plane. There's more than enough evidence there for anybody with a functioning brain to reach the same Crosby > Toews conclusion without wandering into hypothetical thought experiment.

 

[Iceman]

Jeez... now I know why he was fired from ESPN.