GDT: Leafs vs Ducks

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Welcome back Ceci, although I have really like Liljegren's game (aside from a bobble or two) chances are that's who gets replaced...not the mighty M.
 
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leafsfan5

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Effort >>> skill >>> physical
Skill is above effort, it’s what allows the leafs with minimal effort to be fighting for a playoff spot while the Senators who put full effort in are a bottom feeder

It’s skill mixed with effort that makes an elite team though (e.g Boston)
 

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Skill is above effort, it’s what allows the leafs with minimal effort to be fighting for a playoff spot while the Senators who put full effort in are a bottom feeder

It’s skill mixed with effort that makes an elite team though (e.g Boston)

Id argue that’s not the case, all the skill they have never changes, but when the effort does, they win more.

Ottawa will lose no matter what amount of effort they put in. Not true for the Leafs
 

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Id argue that’s not the case, all the skill they have never changes, but when the effort does, they win more.

Ottawa will lose no matter what amount of effort they put in. Not true for the Leafs
But that's why you need to value skill more, effort you can change. You can't teach the skill our players have

A perfect combo is effort and skill, but choosing between the two I'd take skill everyday
 
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Strangle

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But that's why you need to value skill more, effort you can change. You can't teach the skill our players have

A perfect combo is effort and skill, but choosing between the two I'd take skill everyday

Im just talking about this team and what it lacks, but you can still have all the skill in the world and it’s not going to help you if you don’t care enough about winning.
 

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Im just talking about this team and what it lacks, but you can still have all the skill in the world and it’s not going to help you if you don’t care enough about winning.
There we can agree, this team will go nowhere without consistent effort
 
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Ottawa will lose no matter what amount of effort they put in.
That's because they have no skill.

Ottawa often puts in a pile of effort, but it's getting them nowhere due to a lack of skill.

The New York Islanders have an even more drastic example of this. Their effort level is elite, maybe the best in the league. But because they have minimal skill, their fighting for their playoff lives and imo, will miss the playoffs.
 
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Glad Ceci is back. I know that he will continue to get (unfairly) shit on by most of the fanbase, but he has not played badly this year, and even when the D core is completely healthy he will definitely be (and deserves to be) in the lineup (ahead of Marincin, Sandin, Liljegren and Rosen). Incidentally, Sandin's and Ceci's underlying numbers and traditional numbers were much better when playing together than without - ie 56.65 xGF% and 52.63 HDCF% with Ceci and Sandin (Sandin's numbers improve because the defensive numbers are better, Ceci's numbers improve because the offensive numbers are better).
 

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Glad Ceci is back. I know that he will continue to get (unfairly) shit on by most of the fanbase, but he has not played badly this year, and even when the D core is completely healthy he will definitely be (and deserves to be) in the lineup (ahead of Marincin, Sandin, Liljegren and Rosen). Incidentally, Sandin's and Ceci's underlying numbers and traditional numbers were much better when playing together than without - ie 56.65 xGF% and 52.63 HDCF% with Ceci and Sandin (Sandin's numbers improve because the defensive numbers are better, Ceci's numbers improve because the offensive numbers are better).
He can eat up the minutes too
 
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