Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign RW Max Ellis to a 2 Year ELC

[LeafChief]

Guy is having an argument with himself in here. Says the Leafs only have small players. People bring up that the majority of the Leafs roster is over 6'0.

Starts making things up about people saying Max Ellis is good when just about everyone in here has said they had not heard of him before today.

 

[nuck]

Worst case scenario he’s trade bait. I prefer this signing to Rindell at least. Hopefully he can develop into a Blackwell.

Yeah I was going to mention Rindell but he has his own thread. Also we don't know if this guy is just small or if he plays small, which is maybe more of a Leaf issue. My guess is he has a motor and isn't a perimeter player which is what you need to succeed as a smaller pro and probably why they signed him. A former team mate of Steeves so they would have seen him beside a known quantity.

 

[Stephen]

If he's small and skilled, fine, no problem. But better come with some feistiness a la Yani Gourde or even a Colin Blackwell.

 

[hotpaws]

Of those 8, 4 are in our top 10 prospects. None of those were 1st round picks.

It’s not about defending him, it’s that the narrative is lazy. There’s better things to attack, I even gave you one.

it's not lazy it's a fact , Dubie's draft picks have almost entirely been on the small side and if you consider someone pointing that out an attack then you obviously have a problem with how he's drafted

 

[hockeynorth]

it's not lazy it's a fact , Dubie's draft picks have almost entirely been on the small side and if you consider someone pointing that out an attack then you obviously have a problem with how he's drafted

He drafts skill, acquires size, seems simple enough

I have problems with low upside picks like Rindell, in cases like that, grab a heavy dman at least, or a fast one, but most of his picks I think are great

 

[hotpaws]

He drafts skill, acquires size, seems simple enough

I have problems with low upside picks like Rindell, in cases like that, grab a heavy dman at least, or a fast one, but most of his picks I think are great

most draft picks regardless of size bust or don't amount to anything more than mediocre bottom of the lineup types and smaller somewhat skilled players are literally a dime a dozen

"he drafts skilled , acquires size" what is that some life motto ?

what you get when you trade for size/toughness is guys on there last legs or are washed up or nothing types like Babooshka , you don't get prime Wilsons

but hey Dubas has a motto and as a fan it needs to be defended until death or he is replaced or decides on a new motto , lol

 

[Jeypic]

he's taken like 2 prospects with size in 4 drafts and my argument is getting destroyed ? lol

it also always amuses me how people believe the GM and the team are one entity and the num 1 priority of a Leaf fan is to defend the honor of the GM to the death , lol

Hes really never missed in the first 3 rounds either. Who cares what size they are if they’re all making it to the nhl one day.

 

[hotpaws]

Hes really never missed in the first 3 rounds either. Who cares what size they are if they’re all making it to the nhl one day.

in his 4 drafts there's exactly 1 player who you can say has graduated to the Leafs and another full time player who he traded playing full time

hopefully there's more that become NHLers but until that time i have no idea how anyone can say he's hit on all his top 3 rd picks

also drafting smallish players who put up some points in there draft year then cheering like there steals because they still put up points post draft is delusional

the job of the scouts is to draft players who can transition to the next level and not simply who can produce at their current level , take a look at jr leagues stats and you'll see it's loaded with kids around 5'10'' who put up points , the majority will never get a sniff at the NHL

 

[Jeypic]

in his 4 drafts there's exactly 1 player who you can say has graduated to the Leafs and another full time player who he traded playing full time

hopefully there's more that become NHLers but until that time i have no idea how anyone can say he's hit on all his top 3 rd picks

also drafting smallish players who put up some points in there draft year then cheering like there steals because they still put up points post draft is delusional

the job of the scouts is to draft players who can transition to the next level and not simply who can produce at their current level , take a look at jr leagues stats and you'll see it's loaded with kids around 5'10'' who put up points , the majority will never get a sniff at the NHL

So with that logic, you have no idea how anyone can say he didn’t hit on those picks either then I guess. Stop whining then.

 

[hotpaws]

So with that logic, you have no idea how anyone can say he didn’t hit on those picks either then I guess. Stop whining then.

Isn’t it logical to wait until a draft pick makes the NHL before you consider the GM hitting on the pick ?

 

[Leaf Fans]

So someone to help the growlers on their play off run?

Maybe the Growlers, but the Marlies need some help clinching a spot as well, so he might help there too.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Isn’t it logical to wait until a draft pick makes the NHL before you consider the GM hitting on the pick ?

Yes, that is a valid point.

 

[Dayjobdave]

So, do we know anything about this kid?

 

[Teeder Keon]

Anyone know where the GDT is ?
I’m on iPhone ??
Csnt find it
Thx

 

[Jeypic]

Isn’t it logical to wait until a draft pick makes the NHL before you consider the GM hitting on the pick ?

Just as logical as considering the GM missed on the pick… which is what you are doing.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

One inch can make a difference depending on the scenario

That's what SHE said...

 

[hockeynorth]

most draft picks regardless of size bust or don't amount to anything more than mediocre bottom of the lineup types and smaller somewhat skilled players are literally a dime a dozen

"he drafts skilled , acquires size" what is that some life motto ?

what you get when you trade for size/toughness is guys on there last legs or are washed up or nothing types like Babooshka , you don't get prime Wilsons

but hey Dubas has a motto and as a fan it needs to be defended until death or he is replaced or decides on a new motto , lol

Who would you have picked differently in the last two drafts? Schneider over Amirov would be a fair example, though Amirov is tough and has cancer which is unforeseeable.

 

[Pholus]

It would also be nice to get a guy who is more of a natural center in that role so we have better depth for the Leafs. Seney has filled in fine in a pinch, but he is better as a winger at both the NHL and AHL levels. Pontus Holmberg is also a decent center option, but like Seney, he is also not that great at draws and ideally you have a guy like him as center insurance rather than an every day center (I personally have him and SDA splitting draws on a top 6 line next year). Ben Meyers would have been perfect, but there are a few group 6 UFA's who should be able to clear waivers and would be great fits as well (i.e. Adam Brooks).

A guy who has been claimed on waivers 3x this year might not be the best example of someone who 'should be able to clear waivers'

 

[SeaOfBlue]

A guy who has been claimed on waivers 3x this year might not be the best example of someone who 'should be able to clear waivers'

Based on how he has performed this year, it is a lot more likely he clears next year.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

My reaction was...


My hope now...since he's a leaf sign

 

[All Mod Cons]

Pretty much

You can thank the fans for making us bigger.

 

[paulhiggins]

If Dubas keeps drafting/signing/acquiring by trade small players (regardless of the big players he also drafts/signs) and none of them are successful in the NHL, he is making the same mistakes over and over again which (in a normal workplace) may lead to a dismissal. Go big or stay home!

 

[Fogelhund]

If Dubas keeps drafting/signing/acquiring by trade small players (regardless of the big players he also drafts/signs) and none of them are successful in the NHL, he is making the same mistakes over and over again which (in a normal workplace) may lead to a dismissal. Go big or stay home!

If Dubas drafts/signs/acquires by trade Big players (regardless of the small players he also drafts/signs) and none of them are successful in the NHL, he is making the same mistakes over and over again which (in a normal workplace) may lead to a dismissal.

If Dubas fails to succeed, he's getting fired, like every other Executive in Sports. The small narrative overall is false, and either ignores reality, or ignores the plan here (or just doesn't understand it).

 

[Menzinger]

If Dubas keeps drafting/signing/acquiring by trade small players (regardless of the big players he also drafts/signs) and none of them are successful in the NHL, he is making the same mistakes over and over again which (in a normal workplace) may lead to a dismissal. Go big or stay home!

Though has a single Dubas' era draft pick even busted yet? I can't think of one

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Though has a single Dubas' era draft pick even busted yet? I can't think of one

Riley Stotts never worked out. That was probably the worst example.

Zach Bouthillier as well, but they pretty much just bet on a good playoff series (that he still lost). Kizimov and Loponen are not looking all that great either. All were 7th round picks though.

There were some in 2020 that are not looking all that great so far, but others are looking really good.

2019 is the only draft so far where he has had full control without Covid impacting him, and he picked up Robertson, Kokkonen, Abramov, Koster, and Abruzzese in that draft.